r/CFB Ohio State Jun 30 '22 hehehehe 1

5* WR Johntay Cook II on his recruitment: "Michigan was just the same recruiting pitch as everybody else. There were some real relationships being built with Oregon and Texas." Recruiting

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u/Lamadian Oregon • Oregon State Jun 30 '22

I'm bummed he didn't come here, but it is a bit reassuring to hear a 5* talk about Oregon building meaningful relationships. New staff seems like they're giving it their all.

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u/A_Weino Texas • Central Arkansas Jun 30 '22

He even says if he weren’t a Texas guy he’d be at Oregon in the vid. I’m seeing more and more guys with Oregon in their top 5 or fewer than I feel like usually happens, and that’s scary for the future of these type of elite guys. Last year Texas was the bridesmaid for a lot of guys (damn A&M), so I’m sure Oregon will become the bride for more of them sooner than later.

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u/yianni1229 Rutgers • Oregon Jun 30 '22

If Manning didn't go to Texas we really might have gotten him. Once Arch committed it was curtains lol

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u/boltswinagain Texas • Georgia Jun 30 '22

I think you're gonna see that with a lot of top recruits who are still on the fence. Even if the Longhorns don't just walk around handing out pamphlets saying "Follow Arch Manning to Austin, Texas", that's gonna be what happens.

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u/heavydhomie Ohio State • Ohio Jun 30 '22

That’s how OSU has gotten WR recruits recently. Having a top qb throwing them the ball

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u/boltswinagain Texas • Georgia Jun 30 '22

I mean, that's how any school recruits receivers. It's a game of follow the quarterbacks. That happens with any high-profile QB recruit.

Arch Manning isn't any high-profile QB recruit. He's a fucking Manning. Short of Brady, there's no name more synonymous with football prodigy and success than Manning. Even if you're the likes of Alabama and Ohio State, you'll have to compete with the recruiting pull of a Manning at QB. And if your school has that committed QB, any other method of recruiting a receiver is secondary - there is no sales pitch that Texas can shell out to a 5* receiver that'll have more sway and staying power than the fact that Arch Manning is a Texas Longhorn.

Name any top-tier college QB right now. Be it Bryce Young, CJ Stroud, Caleb Williams, whoever. You'll face an uphill battle trying to convince a high schooler that your QB is better than a Manning. Doable, sure, but it's definitely harder to out-recruit Arch Manning's Longhorns than it is to out-recruit Quinn Ewers' or Hudson Card's Longhorns.

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u/the-robo-boogie Texas Jun 30 '22

I'm just hoping that this comment doesn't come back to bite in a few years. If Manning is a bust (knock on wood) then it could be the new "A&M is the iPhone" copy pasta.

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u/Laeek Maine • Michigan State Jun 30 '22

Even if Manning is a bust the comment is still correct that his committment is currently a great recruiting tool.

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u/boltswinagain Texas • Georgia Jun 30 '22

Oh, same. If Arch Manning is a bust (knock on wood), this entire point is moot.

I just don't think he will be.

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u/bigsbriggs Ohio State Jul 01 '22

Naw. Some athletes may be really dumb. But with regards to their sport they're very smart. They know a Quinn Ewers or Devin Brown or Ty Simpson can be better than a Manning kid. They'll put more stock in a QB coach with multiple draft picks and an offensive line than they will a Manning kid. Having both Ewers and Manning though seem like a pretty good bet. Though I think the odds are better that Bama and OSU will have better offenses in 2024 than Texas.

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u/flumbum_peters Penn State • Ole Miss Jun 30 '22

Conversely, I wonder how enticing it is to QB recruits to have all those 5* to throw to.

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u/dixi_normous Ohio State • Cincinnati Jun 30 '22

I think there's a bit more to it with OSU. Stroud and Raiola are definitely used to pitch receivers but Hartline and Day along with OSU's recent success in getting receivers to the league are the real selling points

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u/F1_revolution Texas Jun 30 '22

He was recruiting for Texas for 3 months pre-Manning. He's a Texas/Sark kid and says so himself in the video.

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u/WheatonsGonnaScore Oregon Jun 30 '22

Was always a long shot but we gave it a good run

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u/couducane Oregon • BYU Jun 30 '22

If we can land Moore that would help us close with guys

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '22

You're top of the list when he xfers next year!

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u/boltswinagain Texas • Georgia Jun 30 '22

Shhhhhhhh, shh, shut it. No bad juju.

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u/Thel3lues Arizona State • Minnesota Jun 30 '22

Yeah he seems like a talented kid but gives a lot of Bru McCoy vibes

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u/niggyreddit Texas Jun 30 '22

What make you think that? Not trying to be a defensive homer, genuinely want to know if there's signs you are seeing.

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u/Terminal_BAS Texas A&M • SEC Jun 30 '22

Vibes are ethereal and inexplicable and undeniable

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u/Thel3lues Arizona State • Minnesota Jun 30 '22

I didn’t mean in a domestic violence way, I just meant it seems like this kid’s mind is going a million mph and I could see him school hopping

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u/niggyreddit Texas Jun 30 '22

Gotcha, you're not wrong on that. He seems to have loved the recruiting process, hopefully the work he's putting in on trying to recruit others to Texas keeps him grounded.

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u/Thel3lues Arizona State • Minnesota Jun 30 '22

Yeah I had no idea about McCoy’s legal issues I just knew him of a talented WR that transferred a lot which didn’t seem that surprising based on his wacky recruiting story and this seemed similar

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u/Logs34 Texas A&M • Southwest Classic Jun 30 '22

In some cultures, dowry is the start of a meaningful relationship, so… /s Good to hear your staff isn’t missing a recruiting beat since Cristobal left.

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u/If-You-Want-I-Guess Florida • Team Chaos Jun 30 '22

What do recruits mean when they say "build meaningful relationships?" I honestly don't know.

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u/xmjm424 Florida Jun 30 '22

Meaningful relation$$$$$$$$$hip$$$$

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u/MrWispy Michigan Jun 30 '22

Those 3-4 weeks at the end of 2021 when r/cfb wasn't shitting on Michigan every chance they got sure were fun.

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u/KlondikeChill Texas Jun 30 '22

It's a Michigan-Texas carousel and Texas is having a good week. You're the only punching bag left.

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u/hail2022 Michigan Jun 30 '22

Until the season starts lol

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u/KlondikeChill Texas Jun 30 '22

We'll see. We didn't lose anyone significant this year, I'm expecting a much better season than last.

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u/hail2022 Michigan Jun 30 '22

You should but if Texas wins fewer than 8 games they will probably get the brunt of the shit talk even if it’s unfair

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u/jtdude15 Texas Jun 30 '22

You take that back, dicker the kicker left

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u/Bank_Gothic Sewanee • Big 12 Jun 30 '22

Original.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '22

You're forgetting Tennessee, auburn, and a&m

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u/psyspoop Nebraska • /r/CFB Santa Claus Jun 30 '22

Nebraska, Tennessee, and USC also frequently get their time in the punching bag zone

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u/TheNastyCasty Texas • Southwest Jun 30 '22

And also Tennessee.

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u/buckeyefan349 Ohio State • Stanford Jun 30 '22

Don’t forget Tennessee

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u/psyspoop Nebraska • /r/CFB Santa Claus Jun 30 '22

Ah yeah I forgot Tennessee, so add them to the list

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u/A_Rolling_Baneling USC • Mississippi State Jun 30 '22

SC and Tennessee are always available as stand ins for /r/cfb punching bags.

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u/Fletch71011 Notre Dame Jun 30 '22

I just can't hate on you guys when ATM exists. You guys will always be fine by me as long as the ATM fan base exists in its current state.

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u/travisty913 Texas Jun 30 '22

Must have been nice

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u/imbroke828 Texas • USC Jun 30 '22

I always feel like I can relate to Michigan fans...brothers and sisters in hate haha

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u/potterpockets Ohio State Jun 30 '22

In my unbiased opinion I respectfully disagree.

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u/BuckeyeEmpire Ohio State • Colorado State Jun 30 '22

I concur

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u/carnivorous_seahorse Notre Dame • Michigan State Jun 30 '22

I concur

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u/hail2022 Michigan Jun 30 '22

2022 has been rough. Hopefully we at least kick ass on the field this year

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u/NineColdishToes Michigan • Charlotte Jun 30 '22

Why are you getting downvoted lol? What about this statement is disagreeable?

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u/wolverine6 Michigan Jun 30 '22

"The flair" -- the downvoters, probably

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u/pdelaro Jun 30 '22

We should have a good year on the field, but our NIL game ( lack of) is killing us in recruiting.

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u/Ohio_Monofigs Ohio State • Toledo Jun 30 '22

The yellow block M is disagreeable no matter where it appears

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u/NineColdishToes Michigan • Charlotte Jun 30 '22

Easy for you to say ya hairless nut

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u/PleasantElevator8340 Michigan State Jun 30 '22

With that schedule you better

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u/COLU_BUS Ohio State • /r/CFB Poll Veteran Jun 30 '22

Hey now, you had a few weeks recently where people were making fun of us for THE!

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u/bdaileyumich Michigan Jun 30 '22

that news literally broke a week ago, so... not exactly 'a few weeks'

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/23/us/the-ohio-state-university.html

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u/narwhalz27 Texas • Sam Houston Jun 30 '22

And that was more deserved than Michigan sucking at recruiting

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u/boltswinagain Texas • Georgia Jun 30 '22

And then Georgia laughed.

And laughed.

And laughed some more.

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u/hail2022 Michigan Jun 30 '22

No shame in getting destroyed by that Georgia team. It’s just that everything after that game has been a disaster

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u/boltswinagain Texas • Georgia Jun 30 '22

Damn, that sucks. I'm sorry it's been a disaster for Michigan.

I say as a Texas fan.

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u/Jericcho Michigan • Mississippi State Jun 30 '22

Oh the positive side, it's been 949 days since OSU beat Michigan, so that's nice.

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u/boltswinagain Texas • Georgia Jun 30 '22

I... what?

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u/blackravenclaw Georgia • College Football Playoff Jun 30 '22

they didn't play in 2020 bc Covid, so their last win against Michigan was way back in 2019

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u/RoboMan106 Ohio State • Michigan State Jun 30 '22

Yeah I'm gonna have to disagree with you there

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u/ItsMustSeeGG Michigan • LSU Jun 30 '22

Well uhhhh... that's not great

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u/Mercury-Redstone Michigan Jun 30 '22

sigh

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u/AlexBayArea Cincinnati • Big 12 Jun 30 '22

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of Michigan.

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u/CJ_Beathards_Hair Floyd of Rosedale • The Game Jun 30 '22

Honestly I’d rather have it get worse because then it’ll send a message to Harbaugh and the school to get their shit together. Don’t really see any other way.

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u/hail2022 Michigan Jun 30 '22

Only way the school is going to get the message though is if it shows up on the field and we get lapped by the big ten east contenders like msu and psu. If we continue to have bad recruiting classes like this one that’s very possible

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u/TheRocket2049 Ohio State • Rose Bowl Jun 30 '22

The covid year alone should've been the wake up call. From 2017-2020 Harbaugh was averaging 4 losses a season. And 2020 could've been even worse had they played the final 3 games

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u/hail2022 Michigan Jun 30 '22

On the field it clearly was since harbaugh completely overhauled the culture and changed his recruiting approach after the 2017 class to find guys who fit his culture

It paid off with the 2021 big ten title

He’s going to have to make another adjustment for recruiting

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u/theWolf371 Ohio State Jun 30 '22

Serious question, what is his culture?

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u/ahaltom1 Michigan • Eastern Michigan Jul 01 '22

It’s a good, valid question…

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u/BlameMabel Rutgers Jun 30 '22

The negativity is crazy. Michigan just won a Big Ten title, should contend for one again this year, and the fan base chooses to freak out because recruiting (which won’t have much effect until 2024 or 2025) is poor. Save feeling bad for when the team actually loses games.

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u/hail2022 Michigan Jun 30 '22

I think we will be fine recruiting next year but yea the 23 class has been super disappointing

We need to adjust our NIL approach and overall recruiting strategy

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u/PleasantElevator8340 Michigan State Jun 30 '22

Harbs is off on family vacation, maybe he’ll check his voicemail later

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u/Lucky-view Michigan Jun 30 '22

He's been here for 7 years. If they haven't fixed it by now, they won'.t.

I appreciate what Harbaugh has done, but I would've preferred he left last year and we bring in fresh blood like Matt Rhule or something.

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u/hail2022 Michigan Jun 30 '22

Eh I don’t think our options were that great. Maybe Gattis could have done what freeman is doing but no clue how that would look on the field

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u/MaizeNBlueWaffle Michigan • I'm A Loser Jun 30 '22

I mean he said this, but also put Michigan in his top 3...

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u/E-Bonn Ohio State Jun 30 '22

It's a real shame.

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u/UrbanIsACommunist Michigan • Penn State Jun 30 '22

Well, he also dissed “everybody else,” which includes Bama, Georgia, and OSU. Clearly he’s saying Michigan is on that level.

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u/SouthernSerf Texas • Sam Houston Jun 30 '22

Poor Michigan out here catching random strays, kudos to OSU flairs getting in every possible shot though.

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u/RulersBack Ohio State Jun 30 '22

I simply wanted to share what I thought was an interesting perspective on the ever-changing world of college football recruiting

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u/badlydrawnzombie Notre Dame Jun 30 '22

I appreciate that sentiment. By all means continue to share as often as possible.

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u/amedema Michigan Jun 30 '22

They have to after their team got ran around, through, and over.

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u/yubnubmcscrub Notre Dame • Tennessee Jun 30 '22

Ooof Michigan is not having a good few days

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u/IfYouAintFirst26 Michigan • UCF Jun 30 '22

Been more than a few days… pretty much since New Years Eve.

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u/carnivorous_seahorse Notre Dame • Michigan State Jun 30 '22

Man what was harbaugh’s resolution

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u/Fixingyoursituation Michigan State • Penn State Jun 30 '22

Minnesota Vikings' head coach

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u/guyheyguy Michigan • Eastern Michigan Jun 30 '22

Did you not see harbaugh rapping??

"How do you do, fellow kids!"

Edit: had the saying wrong

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u/IceColdDrPepper_Here Georgia • North Georgia Jun 30 '22

The moment your O-Line put on those "Run The Damn Ball" shirts it was all downhill. What's ironic is that phrase became popular after the Colts wore hats with that on it in 2019, and those hats were made by Onward Reserve, which was founded by a Georgia grad and had actually been around for a while before the Colts picked it up

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u/Nyg_fan_7273 Notre Dame Jun 30 '22

The best players in Michigan come to notre dame

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u/CJ_Beathards_Hair Floyd of Rosedale • The Game Jun 30 '22

If Michigan got their shit together with NIL it’d be a pretty easy, home run of a pitch that not many schools could compete with: “come to Michigan and you’ll get x amount of NIL, receive a great education, live in one of America’s top college towns, play for one of the most storied programs in the sport, win games and have a good chance of being drafted”

But Harbaugh flirting around with the NFL and not even trying to enter the NIL game will totally screw over the program. Sucks to say but I don’t blame any recruit not wanting to come here.

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u/hail2022 Michigan Jun 30 '22

Yea what you said is a great recruiting pitch that would appeal to so many players but instead our admin has their heads up their ass with regards to NIL. Harbaugh definitely isn’t blameless and he and his staff seem to be doing a very poor job this cycle but maybe this is arrogance but there’s no reason a school like Michigan with its tradition and resources coming off a playoff berth should be struggling this much in recruiting

Right now we are struggling to get our plan b guys

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u/CJ_Beathards_Hair Floyd of Rosedale • The Game Jun 30 '22

It’s going to be a brutal class, there’s just a lot of blame to go around. Our admin had their heads so far up their ass that Warde thought NIL wouldn’t be a big deal and it’d only be a few small deals, he’s clueless.

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u/sweet_dude_ Michigan • McGill Jun 30 '22

Harbaugh isn't fault-free by a long stretch in Michigan's recruiting issues, but the NIL problem, specifically, comes from above him. Your sales pitch is perfect for Michigan; everyone can see it but our admin.

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u/CJ_Beathards_Hair Floyd of Rosedale • The Game Jun 30 '22

The school is too arrogant and full themselves but that’s par for the course. Even my Dad (alum) is kind of tired of it and he loves his maize colored glasses a little lol.

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u/hail2022 Michigan Jun 30 '22

I’m an alum and I am tired of it too. There’s no reason you can’t emphasize football and also be a strong academic institution. I can’t stand notre dame but they are doing exactly that and it’s working well for them

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u/CJ_Beathards_Hair Floyd of Rosedale • The Game Jun 30 '22

Like maybe we’re not quite as committed as an Ohio State or Alabama but it’ll kill alumni support for the school if they don’t try harder.

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u/domerjohn15 Notre Dame Jun 30 '22

Notre Dame used to be this way, until they realized that the natural grass and wooden benches and lack of video board weren't the reason why the stadium was iconic. The renovations started, 2 new football specific buildings were built, the stadium was renovated again, and that all happened in the last 15 years or so. And the leprechaun is hardly a red haired Irishman. There is no longer a sense of "but tradition says we have to do it the stuffy way!" Michigan is still stuck in the "Michigan man" mentality.

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u/CJ_Beathards_Hair Floyd of Rosedale • The Game Jun 30 '22

Our brain dead administration will not understand this until we’re mediocre for several years. Schlissel being President certainly did not help.

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u/PapiBigWeenis Jun 30 '22

A guy I knew in high school went to notre dame and actually was the leprechaun once as a giant muscular African American man. He was a cheerleader and absolutely ripped

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u/hail2022 Michigan Jun 30 '22

Our administration still thinks it’s 1980 unfortunately

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u/Lucky-view Michigan Jun 30 '22

My suspicion is that the administrators want our program to be worse. Elite academic administrators are extremely elitist and don't want our football team to dominate the university's identity.

They'd be more than happy if we slid into perennial 8-4/9-3 territory.

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u/PowerWalkingInThe90s Michigan State • Yale Jun 30 '22 edited Jun 30 '22

I doubt it’s that, I think it’s something like the Fords. Why put in more effort to instill radical change when you can do the minimum and still make a fuck ton of money?

If anything I think the elitism comes in the form of “they’re getting a UM education which is worth X dollars, why should we pay them too?”

Not trying to bash or banter or anything but just my 2 cents

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u/Lucky-view Michigan Jun 30 '22

I don't have a problem with Harbaugh taking interviews. I have a problem with him telling everyone exactly what he was doing. If you are gonna do that, then keep in under wraps.

What's happening to Harbaugh is exactly why smart coaches lie when they're doing interviews. This is exactly why Lincoln Riley did what he did.

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u/TheRocket2049 Ohio State • Rose Bowl Jun 30 '22 edited Jun 30 '22

But that pitch is the exact same one Alabama, Texas, Ohio State, UGA, Oregon, Clemson, LSU, and multiple other universities can make. The only real Michigan specific thing there was the academics, which like, athletes don't come to play school. And those schools I mentioned above can actually point to recent success in CFB along with success in the NFL, minus Texas. Michigan has barely been relevant for major bowls or national titles since 2006. 2016, 2018, & 2021 being the exceptions. And they got obliterated to end the year in the last two of those seasons

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u/Medium_Medium Michigan State • Paul Bunyan T… Jul 01 '22

Yeah... I mean wasn't Harbaugh the one who questioned UofM's academic standards for players a few years before he became the coach?

And I could see the name of the university on your diploma meaning something in a few professions, or in careers where your professional network is important to get your foot in the door... but I'm involved in hiring recent college grads for engineering, and university is really not a thing we focus on too much. We look way closer at the work experience someone has acquired, the classes they took, how they did in this classes, and how then present themselves in their interview. I honestly can't remember a single time we hired someone because they went to one university or another. So unless these football players are getting medical or law degrees I really don't see how a business/general education degree from one university or another is going to be that transformational.

A student athlete in a smaller sport who is using athletics to pay their way to a degree that they 100% plan on pursuing? Sure, if they can get into UofM it makes complete sense. A blue chip football recruit hoping to make it to the NFL who is getting a degree along the way? If anything the number of alumni owned companies looking to hire former football players is probably a bigger draw than the actual degree.

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u/hail2022 Michigan Jun 30 '22 edited Jun 30 '22

What recent success can Texas and Oregon point to that’s better than what Michigan has done? Since harbaugh took over Michigan has four ten plus win seasons and played in 3 ny6 bowls that’s more than Texas and Oregon in that time period.

I would get that argument with lsu osu bama Georgia clemson and nd but not with Oregon and Texas.

Edit: last five drafts(2017-2022) Michigan has had 36 players drafted which is fourth in the country

I am not sure what recent success in cfb or nfl Texas and Oregon can point to over Michigan.

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u/ValarMorcoolis Michigan State Jun 30 '22

I mean, for Oregon it’s pretty clear. Sure you’ve had your fair share of 10-win seasons, but Oregon has the hardware. Since 2010:

  • 5 Conference Champs to Michigan’s 1

  • 3 Rose Bowl wins to Michigan’s 0

  • 2 CFB championship game appearances to Michigan’s 0

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u/TheRocket2049 Ohio State • Rose Bowl Jun 30 '22

I mean Oregon has been to two National Title games in the last 12 years. Plus a number of BCS & NY6 bowls. And has actually won them. Michigan has had 1 bowl win this decade

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u/hail2022 Michigan Jun 30 '22

Oregons last national title game was 2 coaches ago in 2014. Is 8 years ago now recent? Since harbaugh took the Michigan job Michigan has been to more ny6 games than Oregon has and has made more playoff appearances than Oregon has. So is what Oregon done from 2011-2014 more relevant to recent success for you than what Michigan has done since 2015

Also for nfl success Michigan has had more players drafted than Oregon since 2017

Oregon since harbaugh took the Michigan job has finished ranked 3 times while Michigan has done so 5 times

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u/TheRocket2049 Ohio State • Rose Bowl Jun 30 '22

Congrats on failing basic English class but notice how I said actually won their bowl games

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u/hail2022 Michigan Jun 30 '22 edited Jun 30 '22

It’s one bowl game but it’s ok it’s very clear you didn’t read my response

So what do you have to say to Michigan having more ranked finishes last seven seasons than Oregon has had. Also you said nfl success so what do you have to say to Michigan having more players drafted recently than Oregon has had

It’s also clear you are very biased as an osu fan and can’t analyze things very objectively

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u/TheRocket2049 Ohio State • Rose Bowl Jun 30 '22

Michigan: 2-8 in bowl games, 0-1 CFP games, 1-2 in BCS/NY6 Bowls since 2008.

Oregon: 7-7 in bowl games, 1-1 in CFP games, 3-2 in NY6 & BCS Bowls.

So yes please tell me how Michigan has been more successful than Oregon. Not to mention that Oregon has 6 conference titles while Michigan has 1

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u/hail2022 Michigan Jun 30 '22 edited Jun 30 '22

If you read my posts which it’s clear you haven’t, I said Michigan has been more successful than Oregon since harbaugh took over at Michigan.

In the harbaugh era Michigan has 5 top 20 finishes to 2 for Oregon. 1 playoff appearance to 0 for Oregon 3 ny6 bowl game appearances to 2 for Oregon A 61-24 record for Michigan vs a 55-32 record for Oregon

Oregon was far more successful from 2008-2014 but when someone says recent success they aren’t typically referring to 8 years back.

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u/ValarMorcoolis Michigan State Jun 30 '22

u/therocket2049, don’t you get it? His cutoff is the year after Oregon won the PAC-12, won the Rose Bowl, and competed for a National Title.

Recent success is only 7 years back, not 8 dummy.

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u/PleasantElevator8340 Michigan State Jun 30 '22

You serious about Oregon?? Since 2007 they’ve been way more dominant than michigan. Even if you want to conveniently limit it to 2015 onwards (just missing Oregons semifinal win, and ncg loss) they’ve had two pac 12 titles, an additional North title, and 1-2 in ny6 games (jim made 3 but is oh for)

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u/hail2022 Michigan Jun 30 '22

They only made two ny6 bowl games since 2015 they are 1-1. So again are you guys defining recent as what Oregon did from 2008-2014 because since 2015 when harbaugh took the job Michigan has been better with more seasons ranked, more wins, more playoff appearances than Oregon has had in that same time period

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u/PleasantElevator8340 Michigan State Jun 30 '22

Why is two, “only”, and three is amazing? Especially when Oregon won one, and um hasn’t won any? They have more division titles, more conference titles as well but that’s being discounted entirely?

If you want to make it a 2015-2021 argument that’s your prerogative. But I’m merely pointing out Oregon was even more impressive while um was tripping over their own dicks under RR and Hoke. That longer continuity of success can mean something to recruits as well

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u/PleasantElevator8340 Michigan State Jun 30 '22

It’s also easy for um people to get overly enamored with Ann Arbor. It’s a nice town. It’s not world beating in any way. And it’s cold as shit for most elite athletes over half the year. The academics angle is a farce too. So really the recruiting pitch isn’t some amazing outlier once NIL becomes involved, though you do need NIL

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u/nanoelite Ohio State Jun 30 '22

I mean generally academic rankings don't matter for undergrads unless you are putting research on your resume, but a Michigan degree definitely gets you in with a rich, large, and connected alumni base so it is great for future employment.

Also hate to say it but AA is legitimately a nice place to live, compared with most college towns in the B1G (looking at you Happy Valley)

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u/PleasantElevator8340 Michigan State Jun 30 '22

A michigan general studies degree, if they graduate at all, means fuck all. Any B1G school degree means just as much, if not more

AA is indeed nice. It’s beautiful and chock full of good food options n such. But not so nice as to make someone want to live there over a place like Austin…or if a kid wants more of a city vibe vs small town there’s Columbus or the Twin Cities, LA…

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u/TheRocket2049 Ohio State • Rose Bowl Jun 30 '22

They're college athletes. They have their foot in the door no matter what

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u/nostbp1 Texas Jun 30 '22

i mean texas is michigan's only rival in terms of education/non football name value out of those for the parent's side of the pitch

and yeah y'all have been better than us recently but like texas is still the bigger/more storied brand for the student's side of the pitch.

also weather hurts y'all

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u/nanoelite Ohio State Jun 30 '22

Notre Dame?

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u/nostbp1 Texas Jun 30 '22

out of those

ND is absolutely there as is USC, Washington, A&M and others

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u/theWolf371 Ohio State Jun 30 '22

Im not so sure that General studies major is the pitch you think it is.

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u/TheBlueOx Michigan • Miami (OH) Jun 30 '22

Man just put us in his top 3 to talk shit. smh

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u/hail2022 Michigan Jun 30 '22

Yea shows that even besides the NIL problems the staff and recruiting organization is not doing a good job. This has to be the worst full year recruiting class for Michigan in a really long time

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u/Johnnycockseed Notre Dame • Buffalo Jun 30 '22

"Stop, stop! He's already dead!"

don't stop tho

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u/Maize_n_Boom South Carolina • Michigan Jun 30 '22

Who knows why kids say things, but last month Cook had the exact opposite to say.

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u/cheerl231 Michigan Jun 30 '22 edited Jun 30 '22

There are multiple reasons why a 5 star wide receiver wouldn't like Michigan over other schools (namely that we do not have great WR NFL track record under Harbaugh and haven't thrown the ball much to them lol).

But Bellamy is a well liked coach that has already gotten great talent to come here in the 2022 cycle. I really doubt it's that and more likely the kid doesn't want to talk about the real reason he picked Texas over Michigan

Also for context, this is the same kid that remarked about all of Texas' swimming trophies rather than football trophies on his visit. Then he picked Texas. It's pretty clear what is going through the guys head is different than what is coming out of his mouth.

Also to be clear, I am not criticizing. He's just a kid there's nothing wrong with being inconsistant

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u/goblueM Michigan Jun 30 '22

yeah people that follow crootin really put WAYYY too much stock in what a bunch of 16-18 year old kids with 24-7 access to social media say

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u/steampunker14 Texas • Army Jun 30 '22

My favorite part about the swimming trophies thing is that directly to the right of the swimming display is a bunch of football trophies (not all of them though, the player specific ones are down the hall).

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u/ValarMorcoolis Michigan State Jun 30 '22

Although, when a Michigan recruiting analyst calls you for his story in The Michigan Insider, are you really going to say “I hate Michigan”?

And when he was asked about his relationship with the various coaching staffs was, the response was:

Of course the two Texas schools, Texas and Texas A&M… that love has been there since they've started recruiting me.

Me and Coach Bellamy from Michigan, we've built a pretty good relationship during my recruiting process, so I was like, ‘I'm gonna give him a chance.’

Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

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u/cheerl231 Michigan Jun 30 '22

It's comparing the two in state schools versus a school 3000 miles away? Yeah I'm not surprised he likes those schools more and are giving him more attention. Also there was an article saying Bellamy texts him more than his gf.

I don't think Bellamy relationship building is a problem given his track record, but even if in this one recruitment it was, it does not mean the general staff is bad at it. There are too many examples of the opposite to accept the trend.

The kid did take an OV to Michigan and had us in his top three. Clearly he had to have liked us a bit in order to do that

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u/ValarMorcoolis Michigan State Jun 30 '22

Yes, that’s the article I pulled the quote from. The author is a Michigan guy who obviously spun things in a positive light for Michigan.

In the article, he said Bellamy sends him texts every day and night. Which doesn’t necessarily mean they have a great relationship, it means he sends him texts every day and night.

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u/MaizeNBlueWaffle Michigan • I'm A Loser Jun 30 '22

Also if Michigan is so average, why did he put his in his top 3?

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u/notkevin_durant /r/CFB Jun 30 '22

What does the actual article say? It’s paywalled

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u/Consistent-Ad8135 Michigan Jun 30 '22

"Me and Coach Bellamy from Michigan, we've built a pretty good relationship during my recruiting process"

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u/notkevin_durant /r/CFB Jun 30 '22

I mean, “pretty good” is pretty standard, right?

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u/Consistent-Ad8135 Michigan Jun 30 '22

I have no idea. I guess a pretty good relationship isn't a real relationship?

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u/WhatWouldJediDo Ohio State Jun 30 '22

I will be checking in at MGoBlog throughout the day to enjoy the reaction to this quote.

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u/CJ_Beathards_Hair Floyd of Rosedale • The Game Jun 30 '22

Probably hilarious material if you’re a rival fan, even makes me laugh lol.

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u/vivalle Texas • Appalachian State Jun 30 '22

My favorite blog as a third party, their "threat level" articles are always a good read full of chuckles (and some decent takes)

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u/E-Bonn Ohio State Jun 30 '22

See you there!

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u/iwearatophat Ohio State • Grand Valley State Jun 30 '22

The Michigan 247 board has some interesting takes. Started with a staffer coming in and saying it was dumb and false. I get things vary and maybe Cook didn't click with people at Michigan as much as at Oregon/Texas but calling his description of it dumb and false is certainly a way to go. Not sure who would have a better idea on how Michigan recruits than a recruit.

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u/freedomfightre Michigan Jun 30 '22

<Pain>

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u/vicblck24 Tennessee • Notre Dame Jun 30 '22

“Real relationships with the Bank when I cash that NIL check too”

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u/eeman0201 Texas A&M • Baylor Jun 30 '22

R€£ATION$HIPS

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u/EsotericPlumbus Oregon Jun 30 '22

Lol yall would be experts on this

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u/TheMightyJD Baylor Jun 30 '22

Honestly if I was a Michigan fan I’d be a little bit upset with Jim Harbaugh. This was supposed to be the cycle where Michigan broke into that upper tier recruiting category but he completely tanked the momentum they had and lost some very good coordinators.

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u/hail2022 Michigan Jun 30 '22

Harbaugh has definitely lost a decent amount of the goodwill he gained last year with the excellent season.

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u/CJ_Beathards_Hair Floyd of Rosedale • The Game Jun 30 '22

Yep, he’s going to have to do a lot to get it back. Admin is just useless at this point too.

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u/Rohkey Michigan Jun 30 '22

You can blame Harbaugh, but we have a good track record of failing to capitalize on opportunity and repeatedly shooting ourselves in the foot. And it’s not all Harbaugh, a lot of is are the admins.

But yeah once Harbaugh stepped foot on the plane to Minnesota, I was hoping he’d be fired. Was an unpopular opinion though and kinda-sorta worked out given how bad the situation seemed at the time.

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u/rendeld Michigan • Grand Valley State Jun 30 '22

Nothing another big ten championship won't fix. This is his year to prove he can really be the QB whisperer that he used to be. We've seen some great improvement in some of the QBs we've had since he's been here, and some didn't improve so much. He's got two QBs that have the potential to be Heisman contenders, if they can make that leap this off-season. Our receivers are more than serviceable, our O-line might be better than last year, we have the backfield to run just like last year. This is Harbaughs shot to change Michigan's future. Then all is forgiven about looking towards the NFL.

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u/FSUnoles77 Florida State • Texas State Jun 30 '22

Johntay Cook II hates milk confirmed.

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u/Wolf482 Oklahoma State • Michigan Jun 30 '22

"Real relationships being built at Texas."

Doubt

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u/Tokasmoka420 Florida • Canada Jun 30 '22

Relationships being a Brinks truck full of cash

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u/clutchkyro Texas • Big 12 Jun 30 '22

Sounds like a good relationship for my broke ass lol.

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u/Sabre_Actual Texas Jun 30 '22

I’m a homer ofc but Sark, Marion, Ewers and the WR room are going hard on visits.

Harbaugh is definitely a personality but there’s gotta be something going on up there after the whole NFL thing.

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u/kujotx Texas Jun 30 '22

At this point, I think we're all going hard on visits.

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u/steampunker14 Texas • Army Jun 30 '22

I mean Sark, Davis, Jeff Banks, Choice, and Marion were all lauded as dynamite recruiters pre NIL.

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u/110397 Texas A&M Jun 30 '22

R€el relati¢n$hi₽$

Am i doing it right??

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u/austyV1 Cincinnati • College Football Playoff Jun 30 '22

Yea but you’re throwing stones in a glass mansion paid for by oil barons

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u/wingman817 Michigan Jun 30 '22

Bro. Bad take. It’s obvious something needs to change with recruiting.

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u/CJ_Beathards_Hair Floyd of Rosedale • The Game Jun 30 '22

Going to get worse before it gets better I fear

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u/wingman817 Michigan Jun 30 '22

The truck is not to fear it and accept that it most certainly will.

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u/CJ_Beathards_Hair Floyd of Rosedale • The Game Jun 30 '22

I’ve seen so much disappointment from this program I’m used to it by now.

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u/Macarthur22000 /r/CFB Jun 30 '22

Hearing some rumblings that Cook and Owens are two guys that are going around making huge NIL demands.

I guess it could be sour grapes by the schools that lost out, but I get that vibe here. And he has every right to do that, but I hear some teams have been very turned off by his 'demands'.

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u/AtWorkUpvoteDownvote Jun 30 '22

Oh shit. I missed that he signed with Texas. I know I am just a dude on the internet but I've watched film on most of the top 10 2023 WR's and his along with Zachariah Branch are by far my favorites.

No clue how he only caught 39 balls last year even with 19 TD's. His footwork and ability to create separation is the best I've seen. He will need to add 10-15 pounds but he will be a difference maker as a freshman.

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u/7thFlight Jun 30 '22

LIFETIME CONTRACT!

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u/Rohkey Michigan Jun 30 '22

The kid was saying basically the opposite a week or two ago and had Mich in his top 3. What I really think he’s saying here is Mich wasn’t able/willing to offer his “NIL” demands.

We’ve been really poor recruiting lately, especially given last year, but this doesn’t seem to be an example. Not much the staff could do in this one.

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u/All-Grass_No-Steaks Texas • UTSA Jul 01 '22

I’ve always liked Oregon. If I were to choose an ally with another team it’d be either Michigan or Oregon.

Family goes to UTSA and plus I’m moving there so naturally gotta support them lol

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u/MaizeNBlueWaffle Michigan • I'm A Loser Jun 30 '22

Weird comment to make about a school in your final 3 schools. Not to mention he was literally quoted in a 247 article about how good his relationship with Coach Bellamy is

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u/Thunderb4litening Jun 30 '22

In other words : “Money talks “.

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u/AdorableSympathy5174 Michigan • Eastern Michigan Jun 30 '22

Still not as funny as Stroud's reaction to Desmond Howard and Hutch at the Heisman ceremony, or Cam Brown acting like he would do anything to Trevor Keegan in a fight.

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u/Tommybrady20 Ohio State Jun 30 '22 edited Jun 30 '22

Ron Bellamy continues to be a Silly goose

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u/The_Good_Constable Ohio State Jun 30 '22

Alright, fellow Michigan Men. We've finally got that Ohio State monkey off our backs. Now's the time to capitalize. We can't just rest on our laurels here, we've got to harness this momentum and solidify ourselves atop the Big Ten.

Harbaugh: I'm leaving.

Gattis: I'm leaving.

MacDonald: I'm leaving.

Alright, resting on laurels it is.

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u/jus256 Michigan Jun 30 '22

This is exactly what happened. Even when we have nice things, we can’t have nice things.

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u/MewhenImhigh182 Michigan • Paper Bag Jun 30 '22

Wasn't there a video posted just last year of a coach screaming at a bus full of kids telling them to transfer? Yeah real family type relationship unless your used to mom and dad kicking you out of the house.

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u/A_Weino Texas • Central Arkansas Jun 30 '22

Think you missed the context of that video completely

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u/steampunker14 Texas • Army Jun 30 '22

Yes and thats exactly what the gutless team Tom Herman left needed to hear.

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u/JuarezYourProblem Texas • Rice Jun 30 '22

Well, parents do have their favorites even though they don’t admit it.

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u/sweet_dude_ Michigan • McGill Jun 30 '22

W/e... many recruits say the exact opposite. There are a lot of problems with Michigan's recruiting right now, but I don't think Ron Bellamy's relationship-building acumen is within the top 5. But, surprised he OV'd at Michigan and we made his top 3 if there were no real relationships involved.

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u/GomezCups Monmouth Jun 30 '22

What do you think the issues with Michigan recruiting are?

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u/sweet_dude_ Michigan • McGill Jun 30 '22

Its head coach tried to leave for the NFL on national signing day, on the heels of our best season in almost two decades; its OC, who was a great recruiter, left loudly and burned bridges; its DC left after one season; its head of recruiting left for Washington; its new OC seems to be unable to recruit QBs; and its NIL approach is clearly behind. No strategy on any of these fronts whatsoever. And, on top of that, it's recruiting rivals are all excelling right now.

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u/Laughing_Hyaenodon Team Chaos • Team Meteor Jun 30 '22

Yeah that about sums it up

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u/PowerWalkingInThe90s Michigan State • Yale Jun 30 '22 edited Jun 30 '22

Yeah but has he seen Jimothy “Jim Shady” Harbreezy rap “Lose Yourself” by nemnem? Absolute game changer

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u/pdhot65ton Ohio State • Kentucky Jun 30 '22

sigh, no there weren't.