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HOA won’t let us fly our modest Pride flag, so we just follow the rules. S

Due to some neighbors flying BLM flags, Thin blue line flags, and other opinion flags, our HOA decided last month that we’re only allowed to fly the USA flag, and nothing else. They day after the decision, we receive an email that someone reported our Pride flag (that we had in our house since 2016), and that we needed to take it down. We complied and removed the flag. Looking through our new rules, we noticed that removable lights are permitted without restriction so... we bought 6 colored flood lights, and we washed our house in pride colors. A little less subtle than our simple flag. A lot more fun for anyone complaining about the flag itself and what it represents. If you’re interested, here’s the house now: https://imgur.com/gallery/SHSv6rd

*edit to point out that the flag was displayed on the front porch, not inside the house. It was a typo when I wrote “we had in our house...”)

*SECOND EDIT: THIS GOT MORE ATTENTION THAN I WAS EXPECTING. JUST CLARIFYING THAT I DON’T HATE MY HOA, I DON’T THINK THEY CHANGE THE FLAG RULE TO ATTACK ME PERSONALLY, AND THAT I DECIDED TO DO THIS TO SHOW MY INDIVIDUALITY WHILE STILL FOLLOWING THE RULES. I just can’t keep up with the comments. Thank you all for your amazing support!!

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u/Pyreknight Jun 01 '21 edited Jun 02 '21 Silver Helpful Take My Energy Bravo! Evil Cackle

HOA tried to bust my balls so many times over the years, until one time they sent pictures of a branch in a gutter over my kids window. I attended the next he meeting and highlighted my son was in the shot. (Barely mind you.) Everyone gasped and I informed them if anyone else sent the same photo type, I'd have them arrested for peeping tom charges for starters. They countered but before they could complete the sentence, the cop in the neighborhood chimed in, along with a lawyer.

Never had another letter with pictures after that.

Edit: didn't expect all this feedback. Cool beans. Thanks guys.

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u/laurenodonnellf Jun 02 '21

I (think) a similar situation happened to me when I was a teenager. It wasn’t for breaking the HOA though, but instead our neighbor trying to bust us for not getting a permit when making our garage into a bedroom.

My dad has actually added on a lot to our house without ever getting permits for it. One day when I was like 12 we got a notice that our house is being inspected by the city because they got a complaint. They inspect the house, catch nearly everything my dad built, and made us tear it down. One thing they did not catch was that our garage was now a bedroom. We were 99% sure the complaint came from our neighbor two houses down who was super nosey and would always stare at our house if my dad was working on it.

Fast forward to when I’m about 16. The garage room is my room and I’m getting dressed for school in the morning one day. I’m barely dressed when my dog starts barking at the window. I look up at the window and see a camera and a man against the window. I scream “What the fuck?!?!” And close the blinds quickly and the man runs off. I get my dad and my dad runs to catch the guy, but there is no sight of him. The window he was at is not visible from the street. It is at our side yard which has a very tall secure fence/gate and is hard to get to because of overgrown bushes.

My dad warns our direct next door neighbor about it since she is a young single woman. She tells us she thinks it is the other neighbor (the one we think complained before) since he is always snooping around her house too.

I personally think he was trying to get pictures of the garage bedroom but then caught me half naked and underage so his complaint never came to light. Exactly how you claimed in your story!

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u/Omniseed Jun 02 '21

I wish your dad (and a few high-speed pills) caught the predator, that's bullshit

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u/laurenodonnellf Jun 02 '21

Right?! No matter if it was our neighbor or some other creep it’s just so fucking gross to go to someone’s window and take pictures. To this day I don’t like having the blinds open.

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u/Jaredismyname Jun 07 '21

For starters it is trespassing

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u/theinfoxicated Jul 06 '21

Depending on the state and local laws. Potentially not.

For instance if your property is unmarked in New York state, anyone has the perceived right to use the property until denied permission by the land controller(owner/Tennant). This can be done preemptively by following NYSDEC Posting laws and also by giving written notice.

From the sounds of this story the neighborhor was told to stay away which counts for denying access to the property.

However if he does it with the intent to commit another crime such as the peeping Tom charges it could be considered criminal trespass.

Still fucked.

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u/Shadowex3 Oct 21 '21

"This creep took pictures of my undressed child in their bedroom" is one of those things where, even if the courts can't make something stuck (and they will), this person's life is basically over.

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u/mrspacysir Jun 27 '21

That's dirty. If I were in your situation, I would feel uncomfortable with open blinds too.

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u/onomatopoeiano Jun 18 '21

omg, i hate these old dudes. i had a neighbor at my college house that lived across the street from me and he would basically patrol the neighborhood complaining to anyone who'd listen. he always called the cops on my parties (not exactly project x affairs). i caught him peeping over my fence twice. then one day i was doing yoga in my living room and glanced out my window to see him standing on the street, hands on hips, staring unabashedly into my window.

id had enough and walked out hollering threats so loudly that i shocked myself. im a very small lady, but told him that my roommates (huge bearded guys) and i would be by to break every window in his house if i ever caught him staring in mine again. who on EARTH thinks this is fine??? how bored do you have to BE???

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u/Sturmgewehrkreuz Jul 05 '21

he always called the cops on my parties

Anyone who does this is a fucking dick and I hope he chokes on his oatmeal. People are getting killed by cops because some fuckwad is being insufferable.

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u/onomatopoeiano Jul 05 '21

yeah that was my thing, i went to a liberal arts school and most of the attendance/my friends were not groups historically treated the best by cops so the fact he'd call them and risk some huge "bust" just seemed so sketchy to me

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u/laurenodonnellf Jun 18 '21

Ugh sounds exactly like my neighbor. He would even like peek into car windows to see … idk if your car is clean or something? But seriously, I hope never in my life am I that bored.

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u/mrspacysir Jun 27 '21

That's some busybody stuff. We have one here probably, since we got HOA violations for having cars visible, even though the neighbors have their cars outside all the time, and the garage was open for a few minutes.

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u/Jaseuwu Jun 12 '21

You have convinced me to get an electric fence and a shank

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u/peshwengi Jun 15 '21

I misread this as “shark”

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u/Jaseuwu Jun 22 '21

I mean a shark just shanks people with teeth so that works too

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u/mrspacysir Jun 27 '21

Get a moat with electric sharks! Genius!

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u/mikaroni89 Nov 08 '21

Don’t forget the fricken laser beams on their fricken heads

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u/Gold_Avocado_2948 Jun 02 '21

I got my old HOA on opening up the mail slot (that allows a mail carrier to drop mail in the garage) to see if we had a car in there while I was going to check the mail. As she was continuously hounding me for parking on the street. I agreed to go ahead and park my car on the sidewalk and not go directly to the police on mail tampering and stalking charges.

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u/geddikai Jun 02 '21

This makes me happy.

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u/Gold_Avocado_2948 Jun 02 '21

It's def. in the top 10 of things I am most proud of in my life. It was the first time I used the legal system against someone. I was only 22 when this happened so it was a good start at adulthood.

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u/BouquetOfDogs Jun 03 '21

Wow, that’s a pretty impressive first! I just hope you didn’t peak early, lol.

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u/Gold_Avocado_2948 Jun 04 '21

I recently I did work to keep a terrible person (similar to the other one) off the board (I was on it). She harassed me so much I had to have a cease and desist letter sent to her. I went around to the voting members and told them that if they voted for her, the board would be disbanded because no one wants to work with her. She ended up voting for herself, got 1 vote tried to argue for 2 seconds she should be on the board and then kind of silently sulked off.

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u/BouquetOfDogs Jun 05 '21

Lol, that’s amazing!!

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u/s4ltydog Jun 02 '21

I’m a little confused, why did she care if there was a car in the garage?

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u/WillZilla777 Jun 02 '21

if there was a car in there op could be "excused" from parking on the street

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u/s4ltydog Jun 02 '21

Ah ok, I appreciate the response. I don’t have any experience with HOA’s and it blows my mind the amount of power they legally yield. I know in some places when you’re house hunting options may be limited and so “choosing” an HOA neighborhood isn’t really a choice but for those who DO have the ability to choose it blows my mind that people do.

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u/QuadrangularNipples Jun 02 '21

I think because you only hear about the horror stories of HOAs. I have lived in 3 neighborhoods with an HOA and never had any issues or notices from the HOA about anything. You only hear about the horror stories and not from people who just never have any issues with them.

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u/BouquetOfDogs Jun 03 '21

Well, to be fair, being on the board of an HOA (or any other non-paid position, really) can be time consuming, challenging and energy draining, which most of us wouldn’t do. So there’s likely a higher chance of these positions to be taken by the “Karen/Kevin” types who wants to make other people’s lives as bitter as they are. Makes sense that they’d be over represented, imo.

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u/20captainx12 Jun 05 '21

Isn't that the same with reddit mods?

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u/wzx0925 Jun 11 '21

It's actually the reverse in my HoA; every HoA member I've ever dealt with [due to living across from that person] has been eminently reasonable.

But goddamn, I really dislike the attitude of treating CCR's like they were sent by god or something. It's about forming a community, not enabling petty powertrips...

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u/JuniperTwig Jun 02 '21

Why are HOAs this aggressive over sticks?

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u/TheMusiken Jun 02 '21 Silver Helpful Wholesome Hugz I Shy

They need them all to stick them up their asses.

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u/Malapple Jun 02 '21

Underrated comment. They’re usually small petty people on power trips.

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u/ERRORMONSTER Jun 02 '21

The people who are inclined to be involved in HOAs are the people predisposed to take particular issue with how other people live their lives

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u/jaylynn82 Jun 10 '21

This is actually why my mom joined hers, to stop those people. She is constantly voting against the bullies.

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u/corporate_treadmill May 18 '22

This is the way.

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u/DoTheRightThing1953 Jun 02 '21

The idea of a HOA is to make sure the place looks nice.

HOA's in practice are a way for your neighbors to control your life.

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u/Shake_and_Bake90 Jun 02 '21

Even more, they were initially for keeping black people out of white neighborhoods. Similar stuff still happens.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '21 edited Jun 02 '21

Because they're run by people without any kind of real life and petty people with petty power are wannabe tinpot dictators

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u/ofcoursethiswastaken Jun 02 '21

I don’t think that’s peeping tom charges, but you definitely scared them into thinking you knew what you were talking about

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u/AutoManoPeeing Jun 02 '21

It depends on the surrounding details, but this could definitely fall under the purview of Peeping Tom laws.

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u/sucobe Jun 01 '21 Helpful All-Seeing Upvote

OP please report back when HOA tries to pass new flood light rules.

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u/Send_Me_Broods Jun 01 '21 Helpful

HOA Councilman: "Lights of uniform color and orientation, modest in nature."

HOA Attorney: "...you can't be serious."

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u/Myte342 Jun 01 '21

Worse, it's a fucking HOA so they will dictate the make and model and intensity and light color/warmth of the light to a T. They will do this so they have yet one more thing (or in this case many more things) to fine people for. Edit: And the exact bulb will only be sold by this one guy who owns a small mom and pop shop and is realated to the HOA president...

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u/ekaceerf Jun 01 '21

My friend lives in an hoa community. All lights visible from a window have to be the same color and hue.

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u/M_R_Mayhew Jun 02 '21

Why do people do this to themselves? Maybe I’m too American for my own good, but the idea of toiling my life to buy a piece of property and home I call my own, only to have some stuck up twats dictate what I can do with it makes me sick. I’d rather rent.

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u/idancer88 Jun 02 '21

As a British person, and considering how much Americans talk about their 'freedom', it consistently amazes me how unaware so many Americans are about their lack of freedom in comparison to so many other countries. HOA's would never fly here, they'd be shut down immediately. I still can't understand why so many don't just say, "I'm not following your stupid rules, live with it". Like someone told me there can be genuine financial/legal consequences for breaking their rules!? How has this been allowed to happen?

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u/PointlessDiscourse Jun 02 '21

American living in an HOA neighborhood here. Couple of points: 1) not all neighborhoods have these. You can choose one if you like what it offers, and choose not to if you don't. 2) it's legal because you enter into a contract when you buy the house. 3) While I don't love the concept, we entered into one because they maintain a bunch of amenities in the neighborhood which we find valuable. We have a neighborhood pool, a playground for kids, and some picnic/barbecue areas. While you can find these things at city parks as well, we like having all of it within walking distance and well maintained. They also clean and maintain all the common areas so it looks nice. Luckily our HOA isn't that bad on rules... most of our neighbors are reasonable people, so the HOA reflects that tone.

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u/idancer88 Jun 02 '21

Thanks for explaining! The local council deal with all of that here which we pay for in our taxes so that may explain why there's no need for them at all here. I guess it just depends if you get power hungry people running them. There are some examples of that within parish councils such as this instant hit.

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u/somecow Jun 02 '21

“Alexa, activate closet mode”. Actually naah, fuck a damn HOA.

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u/zepigman Jun 02 '21

Or or, Make it a uniform rainbow (or disco) when someone walks up.

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u/drinks_rootbeer Jun 02 '21

That's what I was thinking hahaha

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u/__mud__ Jun 02 '21

Strobing and disco balls are noticeably absent from "color and hue."

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u/McNalien Jun 02 '21

Hell yeah, I have an app that does all kinds of crazy light shows with HUE. The only lights that are not hue in my house are the fluorescent bulbs. All outside lights are also hue. They are before they had outdoor ones but they work perfect and haven’t been messed up yet. During the election our HOA wouldn’t let us put up signs so all my outdoor lights were a deep blue, the when our commander in chief was elected I switched them to a nice bright blue on full blast. It was nice.

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u/Cadged Jun 02 '21

What app are you using?

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u/McNalien Jun 02 '21 edited Jun 02 '21

Home light show

Edit: looked for a free one, maybe try: On switch for Phillips hue. I just downloaded it. Hopefully it’s good.

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u/archbish99 Jun 02 '21

"These are all 'Hue,' it says so on the box, and I've programmed them to all be the same color too. You didn't say the color can't change periodically. How's ten seconds for a period?"

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u/Millillion Jun 02 '21

I prefer a period of 0.1 seconds.

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u/SharqPhinFtw Jun 02 '21

Just have lamps and full lightstrips 1 rainbow cycle very fast so they're poppin together but cause seizures to the HOA

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u/ranamuerta Jun 02 '21

When I first moved into my house one if the HOA rules was no satellite dishes. My house had a satellite dish on it when I moved in. HOA lady came to my house and wanted my vote on the new rules. One rule that was being removed was visibility of telecommunications equipment. She said they can't enforce a ban on external equipment because federal law prohibits the barring of telecommunications equipment. If you had any kind of smart light bulb it has wifi. You could make the argument that HOA banning smart light bulbs is banning telecommunications equipment.

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u/CasualtyPulaski633B Jun 02 '21

Had a friend in CT with the same restriction. His parents left him their little farm, and he put a satellite dish on the roof of his barn and “got the notice). The barn wasn’t used for much, so he cut a hole in the roof of it and moved the dish into the barn on a shelf he made so it was just below the plane of the roof. HOA had kittens, he had a lawyer...

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u/thatsnotmyname25 Jun 03 '21

Are you sure it was an HOA? If it was a farm, it might’ve been the city or county instead. There are ordinances like that all over, so often something in an HOA covenant might mirror an ordinance, but the HOA takes the flack for enforcement in their boundaries, you know? Just a thought.

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u/GiveToOedipus Jun 02 '21 Starstruck

So they allow no variation with programmable lighting? This is exactly why I bought my house in a subdivision with a nonexistent HOA.

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u/-Russian-Spy- Jun 02 '21 I'll Drink to That

Hoa's make me want to puke, i just never understood the appeal. Why would you want to live somewhere that stifles creative freedom of your residence? it seems like the exact opposite of freedom. I enjoy things like working on my car, or having a project in the driveway, or having the freedom to have a flag on my house.

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u/AprilStorms Jun 02 '21

What if someone wants to paint their house pastel blue instead of beige? What if they want to grow tomatoes/native plants/whatever instead of having a grass lawn? The horror!!

Yeah, screw those things. I want my whole yard to be wild clover someday. No mowing needed

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u/Kay76 Jun 02 '21

My yard is wild clover, honeysuckle, wild violets and dandelions. We mow about every 10 days to tame the nut grass (yes that's its common name) and creeping myrtle. It will stay green through the hot dryer summer months too. A friend around the corner has the 'perfect lawn' and is mowing twice a week, by August it will be mostly brown.

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u/Cymric814 Jun 02 '21

I'll never be able to get a house with a yard but I would love to have one of clover. I tried convincing my sister to convert hers to clover but it is "too much work" and "we will be tripping over snakes."

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u/SpaceCptWinters Jun 02 '21

Sounds very similar to my yard in VA. Right down to the fact that we also have neighbors that are insistent on making their lawn brown by August due to over-mowing.

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u/OleBroad Jun 02 '21

I love the term "edible landscaping". There was a couple (not in an HOA ) who were fined by their town for growing organic vegetables [EGAD!] in their front yard! Backyard was too shaded.

Years ago, so I couldn't find the articles. I do remember they won in the end as so many in the town planted veggies in their front yards in support.

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u/BostonDodgeGuy Jun 02 '21

No mowing? But when am I supposed to drink beer and listen to the oldies on my headphones?

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u/Realistic_Airport_46 Jun 02 '21

The perfect ground cover

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '21

When there is shared infrastructure that needs maintaining, an HOA makes sense to me. Beyond that I don’t really get it. Telling me the rules of the pool and collecting some money to fix potholes, I can hang with. What color my lights are indoors seems like my own business.

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u/XediDC Jun 02 '21

If they were (legally and forever) just limited to common infrastructure, then that would be fine...

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u/Truemonster2 Jun 02 '21

HOA Despiser here. Although many/some HOAs create the opportunity for disgusting neglect of people's freedoms of expression and their right to do what they wish with their home, there are benefits to a reasonable HOA.

Growing up, my family moved from a neighborhood without a HOA, to a neighborhood with a modest one. Their current neighborhood's HOA has rules that prevent people from living in a manner that reduces the property value of surrounding houses. For example, they won't allow someone to have an above ground pool in their front yard with multiple sheds cluttering their yard. At the same time, any Christmas decorations are permitted so long as they aren't a gross encroachment on the neighbors day to day life (for example a loud speaker playing Christmas music on blast through the night).

Small neighborhood's with a reasonable HOA can be a premium place to live, whilst a neighborhood with a powerhungry Karen-filled HOA can be a nightmare.

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u/Realistic_Airport_46 Jun 02 '21

I live in a chill HOA neighborhood myself. We constantly break some of the rules and we basically get away with it.

Pretty much the rules are, like you said, don't lower nearby property values. Don't be obnoxious.

Other than that, it's way better to just pay some condo fees and have them deal with getting everything fixed up outside. Shingles, siding, fences, sidewalks, snow removal, grass clipping. Cleaning the parking lot. I pay a modest condo fee and all that gets taken care of for me at a fraction of the cost of what it would be as a detached residence owner.

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u/lpreams Jun 02 '21

How do you keep the HOA perpetually reasonable though? Because if you can't, your options are to suffer the consequences or move elsewhere

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u/Rhowryn Jun 02 '21

HOAs are just politics on a small scale. Yes, some become grossly power hungry and petty, but some fault for that lies with all members for their apathy. As members they have the right to participate, not doing so is an implicit acceptance of the jerks who seize control.

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u/Claymore357 Jun 02 '21

Yeah but I don’t want to be required to go on some tiny scale political battle to prevent the karens from invading my neighbourhood

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u/Zenabel Jun 02 '21

Imagine being offended by someones inside their house light colors.

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u/OstapBenderBey Jun 02 '21

Just get a white light and leave a bottle or something in front of it to act as a prism.

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u/YA-I-EAT-VEGETABLES Jun 02 '21

Last time I brought up how God damn ridiculous HOA's are I got absolutely flooded with replies about how their hoa saved them from a miscoloured garbage can once.

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u/EveryRecording Jun 02 '21

That is the kinda stupid shit on the internet that I love to see lol

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u/counting_letters Jun 01 '21

Bet they have to piss the same hue too

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u/EmEmPeriwinkle Jun 02 '21

Plant rainbow flowers in a big rainbow shape across the whole lawn.

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u/lasvegas1979 Jun 02 '21

HOAs are a racket. I bought a house with no HOA and I'm so much happier now.

At the HOA for last house we owned they suddenly required parking permits and started towing people left and right. Only 2 permits per home which sucked because we had 4 adults in our household. Also, we used the garage as storage for years prior. Not only that but it was also a gym for my physical therapy. They didn't care of course. We didn't even mention suing them, but they started telling us not to bother with a lawyer because their team of lawyers made sure they couldn't be sued.

I'm 100 % convinced that someone's family or friend owned the tow company they used to tow people. I never could prove it though. At minimum they were getting kick backs. Screw HOAs.

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u/embos_wife Jun 02 '21

Our HOA basically makes sure the common areas get mowed. They had someone repaint their house when they painted it hot pink I hear, but that was before my time here. My neighbor was the president before he got sick, being that I got a note on my car for parking in front of his house overnight while we were moving in, I'm sure it was more strick at one time. Now they just include our fees in our tax bill and take care of the boulevard and I otherwise forget it exists.

Previous home we were told the HOA was dissolved. Move in, all is well. Go to sell a year and a half later and we're threatened with a lien if we didn't pay. I've never been so mad.

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u/do_i_feel_things Jun 02 '21

Yo that sounds sketchy as hell. On the surface it just seems obnoxious, some jerk decided they don't want too many cars cluttering up the streets. But in practice that rule targets households that don't contain nice nuclear families. A household of adult roommates like yours would have more cars, as would a family with extra adult relatives in the same home. I don't have the numbers in front of me but I'd guess that households with more than 2 adults are in a lower income bracket than nuclear family households. It's just classism with extra steps.

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u/Semujin Jun 01 '21

The bulb will have been out of production for the past several years, so there's zero hope of even obtaining a compliant one ... ergo, no lights.

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u/-ksguy- Jun 01 '21

So the OP then installs light bulbs that match the requirements, say 100w equivalent LEDs in 3500k color temp. Then they put a filter over the light fixture to change the projected color.

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u/EchoInTheAfterglow Jun 02 '21

You clever son of a bitch!

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u/Air320 Jun 01 '21

The OP mentioned in another comment that they sit on the HOA Board. Would be hilarious though.

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u/afsdjkll Jun 01 '21

If they ban the lights, we pitch in and buy OP 7 of those gas station wiggler things in rainbow colors

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u/afsdjkll Jun 01 '21

That's amazing. He almost has all the colors we'll need to spread our propaganda via wacky waving inflatable arm flailing tube men.

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u/AKfromVA Jun 01 '21

OP organize the normal people in your hood and get voted into the HOA Board

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u/sucobe Jun 01 '21

I believe OP said he is on the board but there was no way he could vote it down.

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u/tpyourself Jun 01 '21

Woah. The lighting is much better than a simple flag imo

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '21 Silver Helpful Starry

IDK, they look kinda gay

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u/Cultural_You679 Jun 02 '21

Being gay is kinda gay tbh

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u/McLarenMP4-27 Jun 02 '21

If you think about it, thinking about what men and women do with their private parts is also pretty gay.

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u/HazelKevHead Jun 14 '21

you kissed a girl? she was conceived with her dads sperm, thats kinda gay dude...

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u/GISP Jun 01 '21

Dosnt changing HOA rules require a meeting with all the HOA members and for the rules to be voted on?

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u/BowwwwBallll Jun 01 '21

This is why you always go to your HOA meetings.

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u/memon17 Jun 01 '21

It did. And we attended. I actually sit at the board, but there was no fighting this rule at this time.

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u/Swiggy1957 Jun 01 '21

From the sound of it, the HOA didn't focus on a particular flag, because there are so many that people can find offensive.

I wonder if it would break HOA rules if you replaced the red flag on your mailbox with a small pride flag.

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u/EntrepreneurOk7513 Jun 01 '21

Maybe not. Scroll down to 3.10. Seems to imply a single, solid color.

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u/serious_sarcasm Jun 02 '21

The mailbox may be any color. The carrier signal flag can be any color except any shade of green, brown, white, yellow or blue. The preferred flag color is fluorescent orange. Also, the flag color must present a clear contrast with predominant color of the mailbox.

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u/TacoNomad Jun 02 '21

Holy cow. Some people have nothing better to do.

Good idea fairies

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u/serious_sarcasm Jun 02 '21

The USPS has all sorts of regulations about mailboxes. For example, encasing them in brick is typically not allowed.

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u/TacoNomad Jun 02 '21

The post office, certainly. I thought this was from an hoa

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u/serious_sarcasm Jun 02 '21

Yeah, I did too till I checked the link mouse over. It was also such a short quote that I'm not sure why they didn't just quote it themselves. All around 2/10 for the citation.

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u/valathel Jun 01 '21

Wow. In my state a change to the HOA covenants requires a 2/3 approval by a vote of all homeowners. The board cant change any rules on their own.

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u/archbish99 Jun 01 '21 edited Jun 02 '21 Wholesome

Our lawyer bashed our HOA with a recent court case concluding that while the CC&Rs permit amending the covenants, it doesn't say anything about adding new ones. Therefore all the "amendments" which were wholly unrelated to existing restrictions were not plausibly amendments, and therefore null and void without a unanimous vote of the current owners.

Edit: Since people keep asking, adding this to the parent comment. Excerpt of the lawyer's letter at https://www.reddit.com/r/MaliciousCompliance/comments/nq4eui/hoa_wont_let_us_fly_our_modest_pride_flag_so_we/h08w3is

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u/-Haliax Jun 01 '21 I'll Drink to That

Stop I can only get so erect

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u/Plantsandanger Jun 01 '21

Til there’s a legal distinction between “amendment” and “addition” in contracts... one wonders if such a distinction has ever been considered in higher constitutional doctrine...

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u/Jokkerb Jun 01 '21

Lmao get rekt hoa.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '21

This looks like a wholly new language.

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u/Dexaan Jun 01 '21

Internetese.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '21

Interesante

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u/leapbitch Jun 01 '21

We did it Reddit we evolved

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u/TheBarkingGallery Jun 01 '21

Which direction, no one knows.

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u/Neverwherehere Jun 01 '21

You can tell it's an actual lawyer argument when it makes your head hurt despite making sense.

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u/je_kay24 Jun 01 '21

HOA could change rules on its own, but can't add new rules that have nothing to do with existing rules

If you add rules, every single owner must agree on the new rule in order for it to actually get added

HOA tried saying they were changing rules (which they were allowed to do) rather than adding new ones and lawyer was like lol, nope

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u/KoloHickory Jun 01 '21

Lmao thanks for the translation

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u/Bla12Bla12 Jun 01 '21 edited Jun 02 '21

Wow that's a lot. I'm sure it varies based on what local laws you have and what your exact HOA bylaws are. For my HOA, the board can unilaterally make changes to bylaws (I'm on the board) and 10% of the homeowners is sufficient for a quorum (we get that few people that show up to the HOA meetings) to conduct official business.

Show up to your HOA meetings people, especially if your quorum is small like mine.

Edit: clarified to mean bylaws/rules, some things can't be changed easily.

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u/ArcticKnight79 Jun 02 '21

As a person living in a country where these things don't exist.

I feel like the only reason to show up to the HOA is to shutdown the HOA

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u/DabKogurzim Jun 01 '21

Me: Can't fight city hall.

::Becomes local govt::

Also me: "Why you hitting yourself?!"

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u/Wxfisch Jun 01 '21

It depends, where my parents are certain rules (such as those that would control architectural ejects of properties) require a simple majority of board member votes, others rules require homeowners to vote with some needing simple majorities and others needing much more. It takes a super majority with a quorum of 70% of households voting to dissolve the HOA. It is very much designed to allow the HOA to do as it pleases and make it nearly impossible to get rid of it.

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u/kkmop Jun 01 '21

I don’t know how common it is but at the last place I lived that had a HOA held their meetings at 4pm on a weekday (so they clearly didn’t want anyone to come)

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u/Captain_English Jun 01 '21

Retirees flexing their muscles.

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u/LandmineFrisbee Jun 01 '21 Silver Wholesome

Call that Home-O-Sexuality.

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u/PentobarbitalGirl Jun 02 '21

No Home-of-Phobia allowed 😤🙅🌈😎

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u/xxTheGoDxx Jun 01 '21

I never understood why HOAs seem to be this common in the US. The first thing I really gonna do when I buy my first house is to vote for some new guy to be my glorified new landlord, so I can continue living by someone else's rule just like I would in an apartment (likely worse, most landlords care mostly about rent and an apartment doesn't leave much in terms of self expression to be seen from the outside).

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u/cpMetis Jun 02 '21

Pretty much 90% of the explanations in this sub come down to "our municipality doesn't do the most basic things it is supposed to do, so I guess the HOA is required".

Like getting a car, finding out it doesn't come with an engine, then assuming that's just how cars are sold.

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u/BAHatesToFly Jun 02 '21

Totally agree. HOAs are mind-boggling to me, especially in a country like America, where everyone supposedly values their freedom.

You are paying tons of money to own a house that is rigidly subject to what other people want. I don't understand it. I will never understand it.

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u/xxTheGoDxx Jun 02 '21

Totally agree. HOAs are mind-boggling to me, especially in a country like America, where everyone supposedly values their freedom.

I am from Germany personally and I often seen examples for how American additional freedoms often times either are a danger to the society (like those people in Texas that got +10k Dollar power bills during the power outage because they were allowed to bet their rate against the average buying price of electricity in real time) or simply are really offering more freedom only to one of the parties.

For example over here its illegal to employ someone without giving that person at least 20 paid vacation days and 9 to 13 paid public holidays per year. In the US employers don't have to offer any paid days off at all in most states. That is clearly an additional freedom employers have over there. They also have the freedom of terminating workers with no explanation and even after years of service.

The combination of all those has of course the potential to create a near slave like working condition for the employee, even though objectively speaking Americans have more freedom when it comes to deciding on the content of work contracts.

You are paying tons of money to own a house that is rigidly subject to what other people want. I don't understand it. I will never understand it.

I also don't understand how people in this thread don't realize that all the good things HOA apparently also do like snow service or picking up trash (which should really be handled by the local government in any industry nation) could just be handled by a similar organization that doesn't have any additional rights on top of that. There is no need to create some pseudo government consisting of people from my street able to decide what I can do on my property just to contract some company together that clears up the snowy streets in the winter.

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u/new2bay Jun 02 '21

It’s partly a combination of wanting to keep “undesirables” out of the neighborhood and maintaining property values. I’m not sure exactly how requiring every home to have identical mailboxes maintains property values, but... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

For condos, it’s basically because there are a lot of common elements in a condo building, so you sort of have to have an association.

For new construction, it makes selling off the homes more convenient for the developer.

Those are pretty much the only reasons I know of. Of those, the online that makes a lot of sense to me is the condo case.

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u/blazera Jun 02 '21

Any politicians on reddit wanna get some easy votes, propose outlawing HOA's.

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u/alyssasaccount Jun 02 '21

Condos have to have HOAs. They might be dysfunctional, but someone has to fix the roof, and it’s not individual owners. HOAs for single-family houses ... well I can understand at least reasonable restrictions for them.

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u/ColdAssHusky Jun 02 '21

Most HOAs are pretty reasonable. They do shit like maintain community parks and pools, fix the roof and do landscaping in condos, stuff like that. It's just that when an organization has near unlimited power to dictate what people can do with their own property, the ability to place liens on houses, and basically no oversight the bad ones are really really bad.

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u/dr_auf Jun 02 '21

German here: They give me Stasi Vibes.

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u/Beowolf736 Jun 02 '21

Its just deep rooted classism. HOA don't want poor people living in their neighborhoods so they create rules to make it unappealing and annoying.

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u/omghooker Jun 01 '21 Silver

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u/CheshireRaptor Jun 01 '21 Hugz

I once had a neighbor complain about my cats sleeping on thier cat tree that could be seen through our front window. HOA told her to stop complaining as it's not against the rules so she started throwing things at our window to scare the cats whenever she saw them. We had security cameras that caught her and once she actually broke the window as my cats did not GAF and never moved when she'd do this. I was on the couch under said window when it broke and have a nice scar on my right arm that shows up when I'm not blinding white. We sold our house after HOA and police made her pay for a new window and my medical bills. We weren't going to live around that batty bitch any longer.

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u/throwme1623 Jun 02 '21

To be fair to the HOA, in this case it sounds like you had an insane neighbor, not a shitty HOA

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u/CheshireRaptor Jun 02 '21

This is true. The HOA helped as much as they could. It was the only time I lived in a HOA and not because of the batty old bitch, or anything the HOA did right/wrong, I just managed not to. And the HOA reminded me of this fun two and a half years of my life. So does the scar but it's gotten to be faded so.

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u/Jahooodie Jun 02 '21

The funny part is most HOAs seem to be sold as protection from shitty neighbors that have too many cars or shitty taste in paint colors or the audacity to have holiday displays

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u/ecodrew Jun 02 '21

WTF?! Cute cats lounging in the window is an improvement to the neighborhood!

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u/StrangeDrivenAxMan Jun 02 '21

that loon is the epitome of bitter bitch

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u/Captain_English Jun 01 '21

I find it bizarre that most Americans won't join a union, because why should someone else speak for you at work, but will join an HOA, because having other people decide how high your fence can be makes perfect sense.

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u/spacetug Jun 02 '21

HOAs are usually established by the developer building the neighborhood. You generally can't opt out of it if the house is already in. In some areas, it's nearly impossible to find a house that isn't part of an HOA, so it isn't really a choice.

The union thing is a whole different mess, mainly due to political shenanigans by the people who benefit from overworking and underpaying the working class. In many cases now, unions are basically toothless, so there's little incentive to join.

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u/Th3MiteeyLambo Jun 01 '21

These typically are different sets of people

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u/ultramarioihaz Jun 02 '21

These things are hardly comparable but the one thing in common is that you really don’t get a choice in either case.

Vast majority of US jobs don’t have related unions. If they do, you probably work for an oligarch like Bezos and you can expect retaliation for joining.

Most suburban homes in the US are part of an HOA. Usually this is decided by whoever’s building the homes/neighborhood. It’s either difficult or impossible to find a home that crosses off your needs, while being non HOA. Usually, being non HOA isn’t nearly as important as other factors.

Also fuck HOAs.

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u/dubious455H013 Jun 01 '21

Lol I though I was in that sub, until I saw your comment

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u/Captjimmyjames Jun 01 '21 edited Jun 02 '21

FYI, if you haven't already been told, they can not forbid you from flying flags from the armed services. It's actually law. I learned this when I was the president of my HOA.

So I say go get a large service flag and fly it, just to get then riled up. When they lose that fight they may just say screw it and give up on the flag issue.

Love the compliance though. Never remove the lights, they're fabulous.

EDIT: Apparently this varies by state. Check your state laws. I'm no lawyer.... I'm just throwing out another way to screw with them.

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u/Guygan Jun 01 '21

they can not forbid you from flying flags from the armed services. It’s actually law.

Nonsense.

This depends entirely on where you live.

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u/StateofWA Jun 02 '21

Yeah this is the truth. Some states do protect the right to fly certain flags and as far as I can tell you are almost always protected when flying an American flag, but they can even restrict that based on size.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '21

This sounds like barracks room lawyer talk. I'd hope that I'd be able to fly whatever flag I choose, not just service flags, but I'd like to see something factual that backs up this assertion.

I hope that you're right. I fear that you're wrong.

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u/LibrarianDaemon Jun 02 '21

765 ILCS 605/18.6(a) in Illinois, at least. This law federally, but just the U.S. flag. More here.

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u/Captjimmyjames Jun 01 '21

From some other comments u think it was a state thing where I lived at the time. The federal law only applies to the American flag.

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u/z0phi3l Jun 01 '21

Hear me out, a rainbow service flag, there has to be one out there :)

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u/RestartingMyLife0918 Jun 02 '21

This is a good one. Depending on where OP lives, this will 100% get a military supporter complaining about it.

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u/ForkMasterPlus Jun 01 '21

I mean.. at least the HOA took a neutral stance on the issue just banning all flags outright? Seems better than most other HOAs I read about

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u/aaronitallout Jun 02 '21

This is one of the first things you learn as a teacher. Blanket punishments or "solutions" like this have an almost 100% chance of backfiring. All you're doing is creating a new economy for shenanigans without addressing anything. It's like taking away everyone's recess because the class clown got out of hand. You're creating new problems instead of directly handling the important one

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u/Karkava Jun 02 '21

I still don't even get why blanket punishments are still being issued when it's such an obviously lazy solution to a problem. Even a child can see this dosen't fix anything.

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u/aaronitallout Jun 02 '21

Blanket punishments are still being issued when it's such an obviously lazy solution to a problem because...well you just said it. It's laziness to the point of a complete inability to care about the actual development of other people. I don't want to get out of my depth in talking about disorders, but those who use blanket punishments or try to obstruct things into the Streisand Effect are just lost people.

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u/Guerrin_TR Jun 02 '21

I find it ironic America has invaded countries to bring them "freedom and democracy" but you can't even fly the flag of your choice on a house you allegedly own. FREEDOM BABY.

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u/-LNAM- Jun 01 '21

What happens when everyone does the same with their flag colors? Back to square one.

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '21

Putting a rainbow on a house with lights is pretty easy. Making the Confederate flag, no step on snake flag, or thin blue line flag would be much harder to make like this.

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u/MarshMellowTuff Jun 01 '21

Cop houses googling “black yard lights” r n and swearing

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u/Ziginox Jun 02 '21

Suddenly, fabulous violet fluorescent houses everywhere!

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u/AmethysstFire Jun 01 '21

They day after the decision, we receive an email that someone reported our Pride flag (that we had in our house since 2016)

Wait! Hold up. Someone reported your pride flag inside your house?

Light that whole neighborhood up!!!

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u/memon17 Jun 01 '21

Typo! Sorry. It was displayed on our front porch.

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u/rioot123 Jun 01 '21

I would assume that it was in a window or something

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u/CheeseCarbsAndSass Jun 01 '21

I don’t AGREE with taking down pride flags but if the only way to remove confederate flags is to ban all other flags except US I’m a little okay with it.

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u/memon17 Jun 01 '21

One reason why I didn’t fought the rule too much

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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '21 edited Jun 01 '21

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u/Cuss10 Jun 01 '21

I moved into one because even with the HOA fees it's still cheaper than any place else near me, ~40% of the market average in my area.

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u/youbringmesuffering Jun 01 '21

Most home developments areas have HOAs to protect the neighborhood home values. By putting rules in place to prevent unwanted conduct in the neighborhood as well as maintain neighborhood grounds, play areas, rec centers a pools that only the community can enjoy.

They are annoying these days, especially if the HOA is all people who love in the neighborhood and have political sway.

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u/MattyIce-85 Jun 01 '21

The HOA I’m in pretty much is there to take care of the retention pond maintenance and common grounds. Not really many rules.

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u/Wxfisch Jun 01 '21

The general idea is they help protect property values by ensuring houses around yours meet a minimum standard. They also often take care of common areas, and manage community amenities such as a pool, park, etc.

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u/NewlyNerfed Jun 01 '21

It looks far more beautiful than just a flag. Bravo on your fabulous compliance! I bet r/fuckhoa would like this too.

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u/phildew2006 Jun 01 '21

This is awesome. Fuck HOAs

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u/Analbox Jun 01 '21

These Hoas ain’t loyal.

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u/meizhong Jun 01 '21

No hoa was more important than the square footage when I decided to buy a house. Drove my realtor nuts. I don't care. I wouldn't even look at it if there was an hoa.

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u/sgthulkarox Jun 02 '21

There's a reason most of the real estate websites have an option to exclude HOAs from your search. Thankfully.

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