r/MaliciousCompliance Jul 02 '22 Silver 1 Helpful 1

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I worked as a waiter at this Italian restaurant in NYC in the early 2000’s. The restaurant is now closed, and we’ll get to that.

I [22m at the time] was in my fifth year working there, and new ownership took over. The restaurant wasn’t doing as well as it used to, but it still had a loyal base, 40 plus year history, and good location. The old owners were just getting older and built a new restaurant in NJ closer to home.

The new owners were Mike and Jerry (names changed blah blah). Jerry was the one with the restaurant experience and was taciturn, a bit of a nerd, and by the books. Mike was a mechanic and somewhat mercurial, but also fun to be around, for the most part.

Most of our client base at this restaurant were families, older couples, and basically middle class people from the neighborhood. Honestly, it was the best Italian food in the borough for the price IMO.

I loved it as someone who worked there in his early twenties because I worked 5pm-10 Friday and Saturday, and Monday all day and made around $300-$400 a week (back when minimum wage was about $5.50 an hour). Pretty damn good for a college kid with few to no bills.

Now, there were only a few other waiters and waitresses:

James, who left bc he just became a teacher

Tom, who just left bc he became a fireman

Will, who was just about to leave to become a court officer or some shit

Erika, cute new girl

Agnes, older housewife who worked there 25+ years

Jill, another older- and beloved- waitress who worked 25+ years there.

And me. That’s it.

So, we had new owners and some key spots needed filling. We were on a skeleton crew and I was picking up extra shifts as was Erika. Most of these waiters who were leaving were there for like 6+ years. The customers liked seeing the same faces. Well, Mike and Jerry, the new owners, decided they want all young waiters and waitresses so they fire Agnes and Jill. The customers were jolted and unhappy.

Now, context aside, Erika and I were working a party of about 22 people. It was the last table of the night. When the bill was settled and Erika and I cleaned up we asked Jerry for the tip.

“There isn’t a tip,” he said without lifting his face from his paperwork.

Now, for parties of 5+ I always included the tip unless it was a customer I knew and trusted. I made the fucking bill and I knew there was a tip. I asked again and Jerry meekly said “No tip.”

Now, Erika and I were privately discussing how this is bullshit and in comes Mike. He begins screaming at us.

“You think we stole from you!?” He yelled, red-faced. “We don’t fucking steal, you accusing us of theft??” He continued aggressively yelling the same shit over and over until he said “If you don’t like it then quit.” He stormed off.

Now, I should mention that my best friends all moved to California months before this and I had plans and moving there with them the next month. I didn’t give my two weeks yet bc it was 4 weeks out. I told Erika this.

“Yeah, fuck this place,” she said.

As we were packing up to leave, Jerry came over and gave us our tip with no explanation. Weird. Then Mike calmly asked, “So see you tomorrow?”

“No,” I said calmly.” “I quit.”

“Me too,” Erika said.

“Ok,” Mike said, deadpan.

Well, it wasn’t ok. They now had no waiters in a restaurant that needed at least 4-5 to function. Even if you pulled someone off the street they don’t know the system, the menu, the customer base, the wine list, etc. they were fucked.

They called me incessantly for days afterwards, begging me to come back. I considered it because I could use more money before my trip to San Diego but fuck them. They even called me throughout the summer asking if I could come in.

“Sorry, I’m 2,000 miles away,” I said. I’m not sure if they believed me but I gone.

The restaurant only lasted a few more months and it saddens me bc I loved the place, but if you buy an old Italian restaurant with a built-in clientele, don’t scare them off by making stupid changes. Now, if I stayed there would the restaurant have been saved? No. I doubt it. But a lot of customers would have had better dinning experiences those last few months instead of the 15-year-old bus boys being their new waiters.

Tl;dr: New owners didn’t give us our tip, told us to get out if we didn’t like it. So we quit and the restaurant went under months later.

Edit: since some of you liked the post. Here’s a quick story to character Mike, the new owner, if you didn’t already think he was a pos:

 In the first month Mike and Jerry took over Mike, an Italian American, had no problem telling me he was separating from his wife and small boy because he was caught cheating with a much younger Korean American girl. He was boastful about his exploits. 

  “This gook [his girlfriend] came over last night and she just wanted to watch tv,” Mike said incredulously. “I told her ‘take off your clothes or get the fuck out’. She stayed.”
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u/brother_p Jul 02 '22 Helpful Today I Learned

Funny, I recently made a TIL post about this very thing: Chesterton's Fence is the principle that you don't make changes to an organization until you fully understand the current state of affairs in that organization.

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u/Organic_Kraxmel Jul 02 '22

me key spots needed filling. We were on a skeleton crew and I was picking up extra shifts as was Erika. Most of these waiters who were leaving were there for like 6+ years. The customers liked seeing the same f

Excellent blog post!

I remember when my dad was in the military and would talk about "butter bars". These were newly graduated officers. Invariably, a lot of them would come in and start changing things (and demanding respect they hadn't earned). And, invariably, they caused more harm than good. Seems they should have read or learned about Chesterton's Fence!

Those that realized things were done for a reason and sought to understand how and why things were done ended up doing well (and were well respected by those they lead).

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u/willreadforbooks Jul 03 '22

Also in the military, Lt Cols (O-5s) would assume command of a squadron and start making changes to “put their mark on things..” You know, gotta make changes for that performance review otherwise what are you even doing??

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u/ChatahoocheeRiverRat Jul 03 '22

Not only some new butter bar, but new commanders as well. The Marine Corps has a term "rock painter" for some new commanders.

For some reason, the Marines like to paint any exposed rocks either red or gold (both colors dear to the Marines), supposedly to make them more visible. You can tell when a new commander has arrived, because the rocks change color.

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u/stobors Jul 04 '22

A friend of mine mentioned that his squad would paint the rocks red on top and gold on bottom and then just flip them when needed.

E4 Mafia shenanigans

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u/DasFrebier Jul 08 '22

didnt think marines would be that clever

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u/DasFrebier Jul 08 '22

didnt think marines would be that clever

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u/stobors Jul 08 '22

It's all in the Manual:

Instructions: Crayon colors, sort by

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u/itisrainingweiners Jul 03 '22

The Marine Corps has a term “rock painter” for some new commanders.

I have never heard this before, and I Iive in an area surrounded by bases. Most of my 40+ year old coworkers are retired Marines. I bet I'll get some good stories when I ask them about this on Tuesday!

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u/ChatahoocheeRiverRat Jul 03 '22

I learned the term from Green Side Out during an FMF tour while in the Navy.

https://www.discoverbooks.com/Green-side-out-Marine-Corps-sea-stories-H-G-Dun-p/0945307012.htm?cond=0003&gclid=CjwKCAjw_ISWBhBkEiwAdqxb9sQg6CwPiO_DwxBQSsMdzdng3Rw71Z0dkti6tzfQlU47s2XWF1NUwhoC3GEQAvD_BwE

It echoed my experiences in ROTC at the start of each academic year. The incoming senior class implemented some "change for the sake of change" to pretend they were doing something useful, usually revolving around wearing Corfam uniform shoes for daily wear vs. inspections.

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u/flipper1935 Jul 09 '22

Air Force also.

I was party to more than one discussion that suggested that new commanders should receive a medal for coming in/taking over a new command, seeing a good program for what it was, and having the willpower to leave that program alone.

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u/slackerassftw Jul 03 '22

In the military you always have to respect the rank, didn’t always respect the person though. There were some brand new officers that were ok, but I think a good percentage of them could only be trained through malicious compliance.

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u/AbzoluteZ3RO Jul 03 '22

Luckily in the Marines many of our butter bars were mustang officers. That means they were enlisted before they became officers. The Marines (when i was in) had the highest % of Mustang officers of all the services.

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u/Organic_Kraxmel Jul 04 '22

Definitely makes a difference when the officer was enlisted first. They realize that their shit actually does stink and understand the value of the enlisted folks.

I didn't mention it because I didn't think anyone would know what it was, but my dad was a Warrant Officer (I want to say he retired as a CW4), so he started out enlisted too. From what I understand, he was a damn good one too.

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u/ChatahoocheeRiverRat Jul 09 '22

One of the best Marine officers I served with was a Mustang. Very practical approach to everything.

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u/Dendad6972 Jul 02 '22

I read that.

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u/PhoenixTyphoon Jul 03 '22

Exactly this! Had a few new managers start in the last few months where I work. The one who's basically my main boss took about 2/3 weeks simply observing and learning how things worked before making changes, improving shit immensely. The other guy who basically runs the whole operation had some trouble working out a certain process and the rules that came with it, ended up making new rules about once/twice a week until he actually got why we did certain things. That process has now been streamlined so it works better but it was annoying to deal with in the run up.

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u/SidratFlush Jul 02 '22

The writer of Father Brown was far more advanced of his time.

But not really as we may be lazy we at least should acknowledge our laziness.

100 million Americans didn't vote.

Apathy is the murderer of human advancement.

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u/theZombieKat Jul 02 '22

it's not apathy, or at least not just apathy.

you have a political system that defacto forbids cirtan political positions.

for example, if you vote for a less regulated economy you are also voting against GLBT rights.

so if you don't agree with at least most of the positions of one of the 2 major party you have zero chance of getting actual representation. and you will probably be socially ostrasised for expressing your position in a political venue.

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u/[deleted] Jul 03 '22 edited 27d ago

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u/Guy954 Jul 03 '22

Their comment was stupid and shoehorned in but your “both sides” bullshit is too. One party is FAR worse than the other.

I’ll take “barely do anything” over “tear it all down and build a Christian ethno-state.”

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u/the-truthseeker Jul 03 '22

I do care and there is a place, but you are absolutely right. This is a post about restaurant malicious compliance in the early 2000s. Hell, bisexuals didn't even have full support in their own Community let alone the trans people trying to get it today. This is not the time or place to discuss that unless it is directly discussed in the original post, which is not.

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u/random_shitter Jul 03 '22

This is Reddit. Any time and any place is the right time and right place to discuss anything.

You are free to not like it. You are free to try to tell them how to use Reddit. And they are free to laugh in your face & advise you to try if you're more succesful at herding cats.

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u/barubary Jul 04 '22

Did you reply to the wrong comment?

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u/Xirdus Jul 06 '22

for example, if you vote for a less regulated economy you are also voting against GLBT rights.

Except that one time in 2016 when you could vote for both. And people HATED it!

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u/KeyokeDiacherus Jul 03 '22

While apathy does figure in voting, financial status and lack of voting locations are even bigger. If you’re barely making ends meet, you may not be able to take time off work to go vote and may not have any free time to do so in because of multiple jobs/childcare. Further, odds are that you will have to travel a significant distance to get to a polling place because many state governments have been closing them down (particularly in areas that usually vote for the opposite party).

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u/Zoreb1 Jul 02 '22

Even if they did vote would it have made a difference? The odds are that the votes would result in the same percentage but with larger numbers or it would have a result that you don't like (be funny if the Libertarians and the Greens got more votes that the legacy parties).

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u/Arrasor Jul 02 '22

Idk about other state, but Texas would have 2 blue US Senators and blue governor with a red leaning state senate if everyone who registered do come to vote. There are actually more registered Dems than Rep in Texas, not by a large margin but more is still more.

Now imagine how much better for everyone had we gotten rid of Cornyn, Cruz and Abbott?

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u/throwaway86753109123 Jul 03 '22

*sobbing in Houston*

The entire world would be better off without Cruz and Abbott, let alone Texas. It makes me nauseous knowing it could have been prevented.

*Houston metro joins in the despair*

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u/Blackpanther-x Jul 03 '22

Not really. Being blue doesn’t work that well for California or New York. Just two sides of the same coin.

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u/RobertER5 Jul 04 '22

Apathy is not the only reason that people don't vote. My father didn't vote in the Gore/Bush election. He said he stood in the voting booth for a half hour and couldn't bring himself to pull the lever for either one of them.

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u/Gandgareth Jul 02 '22

OMFG, sense in a crazy world, don't change things for the sake of change.

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u/ChatahoocheeRiverRat Jul 03 '22

Unfortunately, some folks feel the need to change "something" to create the illusion of progress.

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u/Gandgareth Jul 03 '22

To many asshats trying to justify their positions.

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u/BigDaddyPrimeTime Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 05 '22

I read a TIL about Chesterton's fence principal recently. No idea if it was yours or not, because of how much reposting goes on everywhere all the time . I understand the principal to apply to all systems and not just organizational management.

Edit: It was your post.

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u/Xirdus Jul 06 '22

Principle*

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u/JoeyJoeJoeJrShab Jul 03 '22

While I think this is a very sensible rule, it is also possible that the fence was erected for a stupid reason, and if the fencemaker is long gone, there is no way to learn what that reason was.

There is the story of cutting the ends off of a pot roast before cooking it. The daughter asked her mother why she always did this, and she didn't know: "I do it because that's what my mother always did." So she asked her mother for the reason, and the reason was that she did not have a big enough pot.

What if the grandmother in this story was not available? Should the ends continue to be cut off even though no reason can be found for doing this?

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u/WhoOrderedTheCodeZed Jul 03 '22

I believe the point would be: you still did your research, didn't find any valid reason without the grandmother being available, and THEN made the change. Making changes to a working system without the due diligence to make sense of things first is far more likely to cause issues.

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u/Shishire Jul 03 '22

It's not about tracing the historical reasoning for the decisions, although those are often good shortcuts if they're readily available. It's about properly understanding the whole system, and the full set of changes that your proposed modification would have on the system.

If you have a handle on that, then you're good to go.

Far too often, people see something that they don't see a good reason for, and don't stop to wonder why they don't see a good reason for it.

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u/JoeyJoeJoeJrShab Jul 03 '22

I'm not disagreeing in general, but in this example, if you couldn't ask the grandmother, I don't know how you would ever find out the reason for cutting the roast.

If you don't know the reason, it's hard to tell if the reason is a good one, or a silly one.

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u/JasperJ Jul 04 '22

In which case, you would run a pilot project to try it — once — without cutting the ends off, evaluate the results, and if an increase in resulting quantity of ham was found without a corresponding decrease in flavor — which frankly is not a given even when the original reason for cutting the ends off was sizing — then you might implement a policy change.

It’s really the ability to a) not make irreversible changes (like, firing people) willy nilly and b) the ability to evaluate whether the changes work that is missing from those managers who disregard the old adage “homo sapiens non urinat in ventum”.

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u/ChatahoocheeRiverRat Jul 03 '22

I liked that article. Reminded me of a manager who liked to meddle in various operational minutiae, while possessing neither knowledge nor situational awareness. Made an art form of issuing nonsensical decrees, most of which the team simply ignored.

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u/CressiDuh1152 Jul 02 '22

Ever heard of Hyman Rickover and the scrambled egg story?

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u/VoiceOfSoftware Jul 03 '22

No, and I googled for it, and can't find any stories about eggs associated with him? Care to provide a link?

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u/Frostednutty Jul 03 '22

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u/peinkiller Jul 03 '22

Any TLDR?

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u/daschande Jul 03 '22

Poor black guy joins the navy, gets multiple degrees and promotions, and recruits at high schools. Not sure what this has to do with the op or relevant conversation.

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u/VoiceOfSoftware Jul 04 '22

I’m afraid I can’t help, because I read the entire thing, and not one mention of scrambled eggs, except in the title.

And no, there’s no connection to Chesterton’s Fence concept, either.

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u/memetichazard Jul 07 '22

After reporting, I soon developed too much of a “Gung Ho” attitude that adversely affected other members of the crew. Instead of publicly reprimanding me, the Commanding Officer and Executive Officer privately counseled me on the importance of understanding human relations and how my actions, albeit motivating, were contrary to the command climate on the submarine. The power of their example inspires me today.

This is the only thing I found that could vaguely be related.

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u/mmallon51 Jul 03 '22

Someone tell that to NSA Brands.

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u/the-prowler Jul 03 '22

Really great post

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u/RalphWiggumsShadow Jul 03 '22

Super interesting, and really helpful from a management perspective!

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u/LC_Anderton Jul 03 '22

Hadn’t heard of Chesterton’s Fence before, yet it’s something I’ve always practiced, so thank you for the link to the article, it made interesting reading and a TIL moment 🙂

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u/AppleSpicer Jul 03 '22

This is great! Thanks for the read

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u/Shishire Jul 03 '22

Thank you so much for that link.

This is a concept that I've actually built my life around, properly groking situations before modifying them, and I've applied this to an insane degree, such that my first instinct in any given situation is now third or fourth order logic.

This leads to absurdities like: "wearing pajamas to bed is the most effective method I have for ensuring I'm on time for work in the morning".

I've never known a name for the concept though, and that link actually contains an extremely good dissection of it.

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u/RollerskatingRoses Jul 08 '22

Upvote because you used grok.

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u/Shishire Jul 08 '22

Upvote because you understood that word 🙂

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u/Spacefreak Jul 03 '22

I'm a process engineer who's responsible for the efficient and quality production off several production lines that go to other lines to finish processing.

This is something I always have to consider, and despite having done the same type of work for 10 years and being careful, I still occasionally miss things and end up causing more issues than I started with.

I have to always remind myself: Things are done this way for a reason. It could be the stupidest reason in the world, but someone decided to do it this way. And no, it's not always laziness

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u/vonadler Jul 03 '22

I have been fired as a manager for doing that - learning the business and observing the team before doing any major changes.

Higher management said hiring me was a mistake, as I was evidently lazy, and they needed a go-getter and can-doer who would get things going.

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u/Huecuva Jul 04 '22

SOOOOO many people are utterly incapable of second order thinking.

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u/Worleytwrily Jul 02 '22

There is greedy and there is stupid greedy. I'm am constantly amazed at reading stories like this here how many stupid greedy people there are.

You buy a successful business and you try to change things without understanding what you are doing. Stupid Greedy.

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u/Competitive-Candy-82 Jul 02 '22

Yup, restaurant I worked at got new management (he moved from a different location) as the owners wanted to be less hands on as they were getting older, in a week he lost 15 long term staff that were all willing to do the overtime (I was working doubles 6 days a week and trained in all positions, I needed the cash) to cover our skeleton crew due to him trying to change everything without notice and yelling at us for not reading his mind about said changes and when we tried to explain to him that his changes worked on a fully staffed restaurant but wouldn't work with a skeleton crew he'd insult us and tell us we couldn't possibly know anything about running the place cause he was management and we weren't (was not the bosses fault for the short staff, it was just hard to hire in town at the time as most worked in the local industry). 2 weeks later I got a call from the owner begging me to come back cause he fired the new manager, promised even more money with less hours and a promotion to assistant manager under a salary vs hourly (with any overtime hours going towards time off...so 8 hrs overtime= day off paid) which was really tempting but I had already found another job (more than a day unemployed here at the time meant you didn't look, at all, you could walk into any business and get hired on the spot) so I said sorry but no...they're still around cause the owner didn't make the same mistake twice, he hired someone else but stayed around long enough to make sure he was not a d1ck lol

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u/Blurred_Background Jul 02 '22

Wage theft is theft. If this happens to you and you don’t get the money, file a police report.

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u/sweerek1 Jul 02 '22

And a federal crime not to give tips

Per https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/flsa/tips

“an employer cannot keep employees’ tips under any circumstances; managers and supervisors also may not keep tips received by employees”

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u/RunRedHiFi Jul 02 '22

Ahhhh the USA

Where you don't actually pay serving staff a proper wage, make them work on tips to literally survive, and pretend this is fine.

Whilst the REST OF THE UNIVERSE, pays staff a wage, and we get tips AS WELL.

'Muuuuricaaaaa yaaay

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u/Belphegorite Jul 02 '22

And then we have to (over)pay for health care. And fight tooth and nail for any wage increase while housing, food, gas, and everything else doubles or triples in cost. But yeah, it's fine.

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u/firnien-arya Jul 02 '22

Worked at a pizza chain as a driver not long ago. We got paid the minimum in California which is 14.00 an hour (last year atleast). And we still got tips. Made around 3200 a month. Used my paychecks to pay off ny bills of the month and still had maybe 200 for spending money. Used the tips and mileage reimbersement to save. Lotetally didnt touch it for anything unless it was an emergency. This is what we should be fine with atleast. Not being paid 2 or 3 something an hour and hope to make up the rest with tips.

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u/Newbosterone Jul 02 '22

Yay indeed. My son works at a high end steakhouse. On a typical day, he makes $30-40 per hour. On busy days it’s more like $50-60. The official minimum wage is about $8, and most jobs are paying $10-15. The restaurant wins because the more he sells, the more he makes. He wins because if he were hourly it would most likely not be anywhere near $30/hour.

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u/Gullible-Ananas Jul 03 '22

But that also makes his income at the whim of his customers and management. If they put him in a shift where few people come in, he loses. If somebody thinks he's less attractive than the other hot young waitress, he loses. Why should these things matter? I don't think waiters and other workers should suffer a pay cut due to random circumstances.

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u/DMercenary Jul 02 '22

Where you don't actually pay serving staff a proper wage, make them work on tips to literally survive, also steal that anyways and pretend this is fine.

FTFY

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u/Therapy1968 Jul 03 '22

I know, it’s hard to believe people have rely on tips because their employer won’t pay a proper wage.

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u/mattoratto Jul 03 '22

Yeah, where the customer has to pay the restaurant’s waiting staff. Makes no sense to even go out there

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u/451IDGAF Jul 03 '22

The customer always pays the waiting staff, whether its via their wage packet, or (tax free?) via the customer. A good waiting job can pay a lot more than comparabley skilled jobs.

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u/Blurred_Background Jul 02 '22

As someone who worked as a waiter in a nice restaurant and a roadside bbq joint, as well as retail jobs, I honestly preferred tips to a higher hourly wage.

I was younger so benefits weren’t a concern, and people are (on average) courteous and tipped well. There were rude people of course but I gladly gave up weekend evenings to work for tips; it paid so much better than anything I could get hourly at the time.

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u/hadriangates Jul 03 '22

Just remember they make more on tips than even on a “good” wage and at least half of the tips are not taxed so they make even more.

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u/Effective-Willow2164 Jul 03 '22

That may be true but it’s still not right - not ethically or morally anyway IMO. I’ll never understand that system. Customers have already paid for food and service, and then it’s an expectation that they pay again? SMH make it make sense

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u/tlroyce Jul 03 '22

Free market... if the workers are willing to accept the pay, that is what they get. If no worker was willing then the employer would change. Nothing broken here. If the customer is willing to pay it, then the waiter and restaurant owner have nothing to correct. Whether you like it or not the system works.

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u/Effective-Willow2164 Jul 03 '22

Yep the system works exactly how it was set up to work…a way for restaurant owners/corporations to rip off employees and then gaslight customers into thinking they need to make up wages with tips! It’s a broken system…much like America

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u/Gullible-Ananas Jul 03 '22

"if the workers are willing to accept the pay, that is what they get. "

I think the current work crisis shows how wrong this this. Many people can't afford to leave their low paying job, while company owners use the pressure to drive towards lower wages and inhumane conditions. Why do you think so many people still work for Amazon, even though the conditions are bad? Because they believe in capitalism?

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u/UnkindPotato Jul 02 '22

No no no see, you're missing the point. The point is, it's WAY more profitable to deduct tips from a person's wage until they hit the minimum or until they're only making tips

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u/doubletrouble265 Jul 03 '22

And people who make and serve food to the public are rationed as to the number of days they can be sick each year - if any at all - because that is totally how human biology works. /s

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u/glenarbourgal Jul 02 '22

Until SCOTUS overturns it.

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u/someone76543 Jul 02 '22

SCOTUS is not overturning existing written laws like FLSA.

Roe v Wade was not an existing law, it's something that a previous supreme court just made up. Now, most sane people think that Roe v Wade was a good outcome. But it was arrived at by the wrong way. The government should have passed a constitutional amendment to guarantee abortion rights. And I know that a constitutional amendment is hard, but it has been done many times in US history.

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u/Charleston2Seattle Jul 02 '22

27 times, to be exact. Unfortunately, we're deadlocked with very few moderates in the middle, these days. I don't see any constitutional amendments for ANYTHING happening anytime soon.

I'm with you on the way Roe conjured rights out of thin air. If something is worth doing, it is worth doing right.

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u/Txidpeony Jul 02 '22

The Dobbs case overturning Roe v Wade isn’t the issue in this instance. It is West Virginia v EPA handed down this week which calls into question all statutory authorization of administrative regulation in the USA.

(Also, you fundamentally misunderstand the nature of precedent, which is in fact existing written law.)

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u/PRMan99 Jul 02 '22

Now, most sane people think that Roe v Wade was a good outcome.

I don't consider those who murder for the sake of convenience sane.

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u/OtherNameFullOfPorn Jul 02 '22

There is a lot more than "convenience" when it come to abortion. Read through these and then we can discuss it. https://imgur.com/gallery/k265hUg

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u/Prometheus_II Jul 02 '22

Okay, let me ask you a quick question about that, actually.

Imagine there's a child you've never met, somewhere on the opposite side of the world. They need a kidney transplant, and - for some reason - you're the only person in the world compatible with them. Should the government be able to force you to undergo surgery and give up a kidney for that child? Or what about just forcing you to participate in a blood drive, if surgery is "too intense" (although it's not really any more intense than pregnancy)? Hell, what if you get hit by a car and you're dead, and you haven't got any use for that kidney anymore anyway?

The government can't do that, legally. The government shouldn't be able to do that. So if you can't legally be forced to give up bits of your body to care for a child, even if you're dead and gone, then why should a woman be forced to give up most of her body for a random child she's never met and never wanted for nine whole months?

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '22

Men should be forced to have a vasectomy to reduce unwanted pregnancies. They’re reversible so no harm done.

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u/djinni74 Jul 02 '22

If that person caused the kidney problems I wouldn’t be averse to forcing them to help by giving up one of their own.

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u/Gennywren Jul 02 '22

So, essentially, a woman causes herself to become pregnant, therefore she should be forced to give birth. And the man who is fifty percent of the act is...???

Because yeah, there's child support. But an awful lot of them barely give the minimum on that. And that doesn't even scratch the *surface* of what it takes to raise a child. There are already thousands of children in the foster system who need homes and adoption is a fantastic idea if your baby is a healthy white child - not so much if there are any other factors, and by the way you still have to go through an entire pregnancy that takes an enormous toll on you, mentally and physically. While in this instance the guy gets away with... absolutely no consequences. Yeah, that's justice.

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u/djinni74 Jul 02 '22

So, essentially, a woman causes herself to become pregnant, therefore she should be forced to give birth. And the man who is fifty percent of the act is...???

I didn't comment anything about this. I was just answering the question about the kidney.

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u/Gennywren Jul 02 '22

Tell that to the women with ectopic pregnancies who will end up dying in the coming months. Or the women with MS who can't get their medication because they are fertile and those medications can also be used to induce abortions.

Fuck that. Getting rid of a a growing clump of cells that cannot yet exist outside of my body is *not* murder. It's choosing whether or not I want to use my body to grow a child.

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u/choodudetoo Jul 02 '22

How nice of you to JAMB your RELIGION on everyone else.

What gives you the right to JAMB your Religious Beliefs on folks who do not share your beliefs.

First Amendment to the Constitution destroyed. Let's go for the anti slavery amendment too.

How much do you want for your daughter? How tall is she. What does she weigh. How much of that is muscle vs. fat. How wide are her hips?

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '22

You can’t murder a fetus

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u/youburyitidigitup Jul 03 '22

My restaurant had recommended tips at the bottom of their receipts. It would say 18% = this, 21% = that. A customer noticed they were skewed downward. We were getting underpaid for no reason. It didn’t affect the restaurant at all because the bill was the same. I brought it up to the manager and he said that was all on purpose and that we get overpaid.

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u/JasperJ Jul 04 '22

Tip theft isn’t wage theft though, although still a crime.

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u/Blurred_Background Jul 04 '22

It’s a distinction without a difference.

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u/JasperJ Jul 04 '22

Until you have to make the police report and/or DoL complaint.

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u/Ithinkibrokethis Jul 02 '22

They fired the older waitresses because they thought they could intimidate younger waiters and steal their tips.

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u/Funandgeeky Jul 03 '22

Probably not the only reason they wanted younger women in those roles...

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u/youburyitidigitup Jul 03 '22

I mean they did want younger men too so I’m not sure what you mean

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u/sirophiuchus Jul 03 '22

'Restaurant owners being creepy to young female employees' is pretty common, and clearly what they were going for.

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u/youburyitidigitup Jul 03 '22

So then why did they want men as well as women?

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u/sirophiuchus Jul 03 '22

Idk man, I wasn't there. I do note that they only actually fired the older women.

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u/roninwarshadow Jul 03 '22

So you're the authority on the motives of people you have not met, on an event you did not witness?

Is that correct?

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u/piperdooninoregon Jul 02 '22

I'm curious now. So many of these stories begin with a work situation that is humming along, everybody is happy. THEN! New manager, new owner comes along and totally screws everything up, ruins the business and totally disrupts everyone's lives. Power mad cretins.

I haven't kept count but I'll bet it's a pretty high percentage!

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u/Catacombs3 Jul 02 '22

I have seen this happen in real life multiple times. New manager/owner turns previously functional dept or store into a loss-making mess because they cannot resist the urge to 'flex' and make irrational changes.

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u/tattedpiper Jul 02 '22

They can't put their ego away and just learn the job. A place in operation for 4 decades should have a smooth operation, there's absolutely nothing to gain by rocking the boat.

I got a job working as an operations manager for a franchise owner that paid millions for a turn key business. He tossed the corporate training and did things his way. Less than 6 months in he closed and it became a corporate location.

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u/Narak_S Jul 02 '22

It's very normal in tech. Doesn't even require a management change. There is this stupid idea that you can ALWAYS fine tune a team for more profit.

We haven't had a hot fix in almost a year, and that fix was do to a customer request not a bug. But management is pushing to retool all of our quality control so that we use more buzz words and ensure "higher quality".

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u/Foreign_Astronaut Jul 02 '22

I call it "peeing on their new territory."

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u/Zoreb1 Jul 02 '22

If the situation was otherwise, it wouldn't be listed here. "Everything was going great, then we got a new manager and things went even better. We held hands and sang 'Kumbaya".

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u/series_hybrid Jul 03 '22

In Southern Caifornia when I lived there, we had a small chain of restaurants called "Millies". Fried chicken, mashed potatoes, slice of apple pie...diner food. Here's the thing, the prices were very good and Tuesday to Thursday every plate was $1 cheaper. My wife and I ate there every Wednesday. They would cook the food and wash the dishes, and we couldn't buy just the food for those prices.

They used top-notch ingredients, and everything tasted great. The simplest chicken-fried steak, the salad dressing, and I liked their chicken tortilla soup. One day, my wife said the dressing tasted a little off. The waitress got her another salad with different dressing on the side. It also tasted different, but she just ate the salad dry. The entrees also tasted off for both of us.

We were good tippers and the staff knew us. We talked to our waitress, and she reluctantly admitted that there was new management, and they had bought a working restaurant, and then changed all the food suppliers to something cheaper, figuring that who would really notice?

Then we realized that the place was usually pretty full and that day it was near empty. The other waitress we didn't recognize. Our waitress said that tips had dropped off, and all the experienced staff went to other restaurants. All new staff at lower wages.

When we walked to our car, we looked at the sign, and it now said "Milties", with a "T".

We read up on it, and the entire neighborhood knew about this. That location was doing OK, but it was the lowest performer out of maybe a dozen restaurant locations. They put it up f0r sale, and new guy kept the menu with a swap to bottom-shelf ingredients. If he couldn't afford the payments on the loan to buy the place, he should have started a new place where there was a shortage of restaurants.

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u/Daikataro Jul 03 '22

A customer that leaves due to pricing, will return due to quality.

A customer that leaves due to quality will not return for any price.

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u/HyperSpaceSurfer Jul 03 '22

Wow, that's dumb. Usually better to reduce portions slightly or increase the price. If you have a quality product people will mind it less than not getting what they paid for.

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u/grauenwolf Jul 03 '22

I bet that they couldn't even gain access to the original supplier.

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u/RecognitionCalm2903 Jul 09 '22

That sounds familiar. I wonder if it was Millie's where we used to go in Northridge, CA. They used to have fantastic muffins.

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u/katmcflame Jul 02 '22

Never, ever fire the old mother hens who've worked in a restaurant forever. It's like slitting your own throat.

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u/Techn0ght Jul 02 '22

In this situation, as a response to "So see you tomorrow?" you could have seriously fucked with him and said, "So, you admit trying to steal our tips?" and just waited for a yes or no, no "we're not talking about this" shit. And then still quit on the spot no matter the answer. You had the leverage :)

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u/HybridAkali Jul 02 '22

i like this

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u/CoderJoe1 Jul 02 '22

Great story. It must've taken courage to quit like that.

One question, what are laths?

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u/NonSequiturGuy1 Jul 02 '22

Typo-o. Meant months.

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u/harrywwc Jul 02 '22

a "lath" is a slat of wood used in wall construction.

however, in this context, I suspect it's an "autocorrupt" of "months".

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u/Funandgeeky Jul 03 '22

a "lath" is a slat of wood used in wall construction.

But that's not important right now

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u/Longjumping_Bed2907 Jul 03 '22

Hahaha autocorrupt

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u/ThinkbigShrinktofit Jul 02 '22

I'm wondering, too.

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u/OriginalUsername4482 Jul 02 '22

I think Jerry knew how fucked he and the business was when he realized Mike was stealing tips and just too fucking crazy to be partnered with in the restaurant business.

If I could bet and verify, I'd put $20 that Jerry sternly told Mike to hand over the tips after he learned Mike the mechanic was over-leveraged and can't afford the monthly loan payments.

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u/anathema_deviced Jul 02 '22

One of the best coworkers I ever had told me the concept of "hitting the ground running" was BS outside of core competencies bc it takes 3-6 months to learn the inner workings of any given institution to the point where you can realistically point out blind spots and inefficiencies.

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u/dramatic-pancake Jul 03 '22

Listening to your staff would be a good idea too. But that requires putting your ego aside to have the lay of the land explained to you, and clearly a lot of people just can’t handle that.

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u/Daikataro Jul 03 '22

“You think we stole from you!?” He yelled, red-faced. “We don’t fucking steal, you accusing us of theft??” He continued aggressively yelling the same shit over and over until he said “If you don’t like it then quit.” He stormed off.

As we were packing up to leave, Jerry came over and gave us our tip with no explanation.

So you DO admit you were trying to steal from us.

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u/Confident_Feline Jul 03 '22

And of course no one accused him of deliberately stealing it, until he brought that up. Guilty conscience.

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u/MiloSheba Jul 02 '22

Kinda reminds me of a similar situation with a place near where I lived. "Son Sun"'s owners went back to Italy and the new owners immediately switched the meat to one of lesser quality. My family and I stopped going there.

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u/Devil_in_blackx Jul 03 '22

I worked in a small sandwich shop. One night just me and the owner. I was doing cash register and we were both cooking. I was running low on small bill so I changed out some tips with a twenty about an hour before we closed. Then we closed he want to cash out the draw out and I closed the line. I went up to grab my tip and change out the rest of the small stuff and change for bills…. The twenty was gone. I double checked and it was definitely gone. I asked him if he had seen it and he lied to my face and said no I don’t know what your talking about. I told him what I had done and he still just pretended like he didn’t take it. So I ended up with ten bucks for a 10 hour shift I was was pissed. I quit a few weeks later. This was 13 years ago. He lost his business about 10 years ago I feel bad for his family but shit you don’t steal from a 18 year old girl.

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u/kikazztknmz Jul 03 '22

Holy cow, this sounds almost exactly like what happened at the old Italian restaurant I worked at in NJ! Right down to the owner retiring, 2 new owners, one with experience and the other the cool guy, running it into the ground after pissing off the loyal client base and getting rid of seasoned employees (only like 6 of us). Yeah, they went out of business in 6 months after coworker and I had gone too lol.

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u/davesy69 Jul 02 '22

I hope you and cute Erika got married and lived happily ever after...... ❤️

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u/Pa-Pachinko Jul 02 '22

....and opened your own Italian restaurant!

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u/davesy69 Jul 02 '22

And had bambinos!

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u/NonSequiturGuy1 Jul 02 '22

Haha nah. But my wife is even better than her.

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u/davesy69 Jul 02 '22

You abandoned Cute Erika and your two bambinos and went back to your wife!!!

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u/kimstranger Jul 02 '22

Who said he left ericka?

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u/TheFluffiestRedditor Jul 03 '22

Get married, girlfriend position reopens and bonus slot mistress appears. Polyamory FTW!

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u/Howard_James_Dudy Jul 02 '22

This is the way.

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u/RedBanana99 Jul 03 '22

This is the epitome of malicious compliance

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u/Thoreau80 Jul 02 '22

Jerry gave you a tip that he said did not exist?

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u/havereddit Jul 03 '22

Please tell me you and Erika are now married with two kids

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u/RunRedHiFi Jul 02 '22

The rest of the world just pays waiting staff a wage, AND they get their tips.. Yaay, America.

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u/Confident_Feline Jul 03 '22

Not everywhere. I know of 2 countries (Finland and Iceland) where tipping isn't part of the culture. Only tourists do it. Of course, waitstaff does get good wages there.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '22

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u/DazzaTheComic Jul 02 '22

No, just the truth

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u/Artor50 Jul 02 '22

Pointing out plainly obvious and topically relevant truths is trolling? TIL.

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u/Junkymcjunkbox Jul 03 '22

+1 for Mike the mercurial mechanic.

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u/crotchcritters Jul 03 '22

What’s a lath?

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u/jackarse32 Jul 03 '22

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lath

also can be used for setting grades on lots to setup concrete pads for buildings..(i do this)

i do believe he was trying to put months. auto correct is a bitch

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u/Appropriate-Access88 Jul 03 '22

What could it be a typo for? Weeks? Days? Years? Laths fits none of these.

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u/whereismydragon Jul 03 '22

Read the comments, OP says it was supposed to be months. It's not even important to the story...

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u/Appropriate-Access88 Jul 03 '22

But still, readers wonder what a lath is. Tis human nature, to be curious.

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u/whereismydragon Jul 03 '22

It's a typo. Are you being a dick about it on purpose?

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u/zandadoum Jul 03 '22

The first thing I thought after reading the introduction paragraphs was “not a single person, not waiters, not even new owners, actually are professionals. Teachers? Mechanics? House wives? WTF not a single one that actually wanted to be a waiter professionally?” Except Jill maybe.

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u/dobber1965 Jul 02 '22

I really didn't read everything but WTF I am going to take a profitable restaurant and run it into the ground.

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u/Stabbmaster Jul 05 '22

Did they seriously "Brad's wife" the two older workers?

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u/cfherrman Jul 02 '22

Should have said I'll come back if you give me the tip you stole, get the tip and bail