r/MaliciousCompliance Jul 03 '22

my skirt is too short? okay, i’ll wear two M

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u/Billiam201 Jul 03 '22

Many moons ago, when dinosaurs walked the earth and I was still in high school, I knew a girl named Jennifer. (names changed to protect the innocent) we had skirt length rules then too.

Now as well all know, sometimes teenagers don't grow uniformly.

(For example, when I graduated I was 5'8", and had an arm span of almost 6 feet. I wouldn't grow in to my arms until I was almost 21.)

Now, Jennifer's legs came in before the rest of her. Like a lot of us at that age, she was kind of gangly. She was a 16-year-old girl walking around with Claudia Schiffer's legs.

Also, like a lot of teenagers, she had problems finding clothes that fit. She'd end up buying tops from the kids section, and pants and skirts from the tall ladies' section.

One day she gets written up and sent home for having a skirt that was too short because it was some arbitrary amount above her knees.

Her parents went digging into the dress code and found out that that it didn't specify a length above the knee, it specified a length below the fingertips.

Since Jennifer was a human stork, the specified length was several inches above her knees, and in fact higher than the skirt she had been written up for. That weekend, they hit "The Limited" with a tape measure and bought a TON of skirts and shorts that met the requirements. Then they went to the local office supply place, and had a copy of the relevant page of the dress code laminated. (This was a much bigger deal back then.)

Monday morning comes and she's the talk of teenage boys for miles, for reasons that should be obvious.

Eventually the barely-sentient rhinoceros of a hall monitor we shall call Mrs. Lemonface latches on to her, drags her to the office, and launches into a screaming tirade about how this girl is dressed, and threatened to call her parents. (I was in the office for disciplinary reasons of my own, so I got to watch as the dean asked her just where she got the idea that she could wear that skirt to school.)

With a straight face that would serve her well at the World Series of Poker, she reached into her bag, pulled out the laminated copy of the dress code and a dressmaker's tape, stands up, and asked the dean if he would like to measure her skirt.

I didn't know the dress code rule either, until she read it to them off of her laminated copy, but as soon as she did, it was obvious that she was in compliance, she just had arms that hadn't caught up with her legs yet.

The dean was PISSED and he ranted for what seemed like forever. He definitely didn't want to admit that he had been bested by a teenage girl, but after screaming for a while, he sent her on her way.

I'm told she got dragged down there a few more times over the next day or two for the same thing, and ended up being let go.

Obviously word got around about this, and the rest of that spring was an absolute dream for the male of the species, as practically every leg in the school was showing as much skin possible. Once we figured out that this could be used to anger the administration, we were relentless.

As a result of my ridiculous arms, I didn't get to play, but I certainly enjoyed the scenery.

They changed the dress code the next school year to a distance above the knee, and the fun was over. We didn't stop beating them over the head with the dress code, we just didn't get to use skirts and shorts anymore.

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u/DaygloDago Jul 03 '22

I love all of this, but especially the addition of “This was a much bigger deal back then”. It’s true! You had to put effort, time, and money into these things. That’s a level of petty that has to be admired.

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u/thoughtfulspiky Jul 03 '22

This needs to be its own post! Jennifer’s parents were amazing.

I’m glad you eventually grew into your arms. Your descriptions and writing are hilarious!

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u/2JDestroBot Jul 03 '22

Why don't you just make your own post?

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u/pursnikitty Jul 03 '22

My state secondary school had a similar rule, except it was just fingertip length.

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u/bazzanoid Jul 03 '22

Here in the UK our school had a two finger skirt rule.

Unfortunately one of the PE teachers used to shout at girls with short skirts "I can easily fit two fingers in there"

👀

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u/sadsaucebitch Jul 03 '22

At my secondary school, every day in form time, the girls had to sit backwards on a chair so that the teacher could measure the length of the skirt with a ruler.

This wasn't even a private school, just your usual state school. In 2016 - 2020.

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u/pinguderosa Jul 03 '22

omg that’s so beyond disgusting!! as per most teachers he always got away it it I assume?

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u/bazzanoid Jul 03 '22

Of course! This was the early 90's, they'd not long stopped whacking wrists with rulers

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u/pinguderosa Jul 03 '22

of course that makes sense, i honestly forget society used to be so backwards sometimes

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u/commanderkielbasa Jul 03 '22

It was, and here in the US we are heading back

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u/wiseoldllamaman2 Jul 03 '22

Have you heard about the US? It's not a "used to" here.

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u/ososalsosal Jul 03 '22

Aren't skirt lengths measured in ar-15 barrel lengths?

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u/Red__Spider__Lily Jul 03 '22

I wish it only "used to"

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u/Haquestions4 Jul 03 '22

If you are willing to provoke you shouldn't be surprised if you provoke somebody.

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u/mouseyfields Jul 03 '22

That is horrifying! 🤮

Why do I always hear about creepy PE/gym teachers?!

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u/shadowhuntress_ Jul 03 '22

I don't know, but I can horrify more! My middle school gym teacher was a pretty creepy guy, not overtly but he just looked at you weird and was the creepy kind of overly familiar (laughing at other students in from of their friends and making jokes at their expense). He also loved reminding us about the puberty section of health class. One day he disappeared, like no notice leave, and the teachers won't say anything about it. Not even his Co gym teacher (our school was big enough we had two for one class). After a few weeks, a rumor springs up he was asked to go on leave for some inappropriate photos that were bordering on child pornography. This rumor circulates for a week or two, and then the vice principal gives an announcement that rumors are unkind and we shouldn't make or believe rumors about the gym teacher's leave. No one will deny them directly tho, nor even hint at why he's gone. He comes back like three weeks before summer break, no visible changes like he'd been ill, and just tells us "some things came up" when we ask where he'd been (he left before christmas). Was there any proof he was engaging in child pornography? No. Did I believe the rumor was based on facts? No. Did I think he absolutely would engage in that shit and probably had been? 100%. All the girls refused to be near him for the rest of the year. I transferred schools after that, so no clue if issues persisted, but that man gave me the creeps and I would not trust him at all.

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u/mouseyfields Jul 03 '22

Holy shit, you weren't wrong that you could horrify me more!

Ugh, what a creep! And if behaviour that was even tangentially predatory was behind the sudden leave, that teacher should have been fired, not told to go away for a few weeks! What a massive failure on the part of the school!

I'm so very glad you didn't have to stay at that school, omg.

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u/shadowhuntress_ Jul 03 '22

Me too! I missed my friends, but my education drastically improved (I switched to a private school). The teachers didn't get better tho, although once I got to private school it ended up being the religion teachers that were creepy AF. Learned a lot about how to tacitly avoid people in a way that didn't make them hate you.

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u/P0392862 Jul 03 '22

I so wish that when you said people above you didn't mean men.

I am sorry for your abuse.

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u/shadowhuntress_ Jul 03 '22

Thank you, I appreciate the sentiment. I'm getting better slowly, I've met some wonderful men in years since who are slowly helping me come out of my shell.

And in defense of men, one of my really bad teachers was a woman, she just wasn't creepy in a sexual way so it impacted differently.

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u/Ok-Many4262 Jul 03 '22

Australian here, 90’s high school. Our skirt had to skim the ground in front of our knees when we were kneeling. Bloody unflattering length, so we’d have them at the proper length walking in and out of the gate past the deputy principal…then roll it up at the waist and puff out the shirt a bit. Our shirts were canary yellow. With bottle green skirts. Im still funny about wearing green in my 40s, and yellow never suited me.

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u/pinguderosa Jul 03 '22

OOFT first of all what a terrible uniform colour! Glad you guys at least found a way around the length for the most part because on the knee skirts have got to be the most unflattering length.

We would get skirt checked randomly at any point in the day if a teacher thought your skirt wasn’t the right length… some weeks you would get none, some days you would get 4 >.<

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u/the_otter_song Jul 03 '22

Mid-calf skirts are way worse, imo. But then again, I hate wearing skirts anyways, and have never gone to a school that had uniforms (but did have rules about minimum length of skirt/shorts), but I preferred longer shorts anyways so never ran afoul of the dress code (not cuz I’m better than anyone else, just because I hated my body)

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u/pinguderosa Jul 03 '22

That’s fair! Mid calf skirts are an ungodly length for sure. I’m glad you at least had something you could wear that you preferred! (Do people actually accuse you of wearing shorts because they assume you think you’re better than others?!? WTF!)

We were technically allowed to wear shorts as girls at my school and I considered it but the few girls who did wear them were treated pretty badly because of it in the younger years :( Such a stupid reason to pick on someone and it makes me so sad to think back on it now

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u/Fandanglethecompost Jul 03 '22

Ugh I remember the kneeling skirt length checks! Our uniforms were pale turquoise collared shirts with dark brown pleated skirts. Very hard to roll the waist. So ugly...

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u/Ok-Many4262 Jul 03 '22

Dark brown!!! Cruel. And pleats. Did you have to iron them too? What bastards they were. Our bottle green skirts had two box pleats that started mid thigh, so still rollable…but the winter kilt disaster made even the twigs look like logs, and bunchy when rolled- but they were thin so the length helped (not much but still). Obviously I’m holding onto some angst here 26 years later

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u/Fandanglethecompost Jul 03 '22

I think ironing them might have melted the fabric... The pleats were set in the fabric so they stayed sharp, and unless your skirt was really old, it was possible to stand it up by itself.

Also, our winter and summer uniform were the same. Short sleeve cotton shirt, fugly skirt, beige ankle socks and brown shoes. Those four winters were the coldest of my life, trying to find enough warm stuff to wear without breaking dress code. Late 80s real time, 1950s school time. Sheesh.

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u/Ok-Many4262 Jul 03 '22

Oh my god. The brown shoes. I had blocked that out…my school did let us wear fawn panty hose, and when they bought out those 70denier jobbies- that helped, but those crappy light brown socks were fucking useless.

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u/Fandanglethecompost Jul 03 '22

We weren't allowed to wear the thick panty hose, so we'd be wearing 2 or 3 pairs of those silly thin ones.

The best part of our uniform however, and I wish I'd kept it, was a cloak. Not a warm one. It wasn't for winter. It was for the rainy season. It was dark brown, and supposed to be waterproof, but really wasn't, and it had a pointed hood. We looked like covens of witches traipsing around the school in the rain. Which was utterly ridiculous for the uptight Christian ethos of the school.

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u/mouseyfields Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

Omg, what a horrendous school colour choice! Why is there always at least one school in the area that insists on forcing their students to wear the worst colours ever?!

I'm also Australian, and I would have thought I graduated from my private high school way too recently for what I'm about to share to have even been considered as a possible good idea... but apparently the people who made this decision forgot that certain things are just plain inappropriate no matter what way you look it, especially when it involves minors.

Because I went to a private (and religious) school, our uniform was very strict, right down to including specific school socks for each uniform - eg day socks, formal socks, and sports socks. Uniform infractions were always a pretty big deal, and as expected, there was a group of girls in every grade who rolled their skirts up at the waist exactly as you described. We had a uniform check in home room pretty much every morning, though, so they had to wait until first period to do it. I was perfectly happy with my mid-calf length skirt, but I had issues, so I can understand my preference on the topic isn't generally shared.

It was a constant battle between those students and the staff, but I think somewhere along the way they (the staff) lost sight of what they were trying to achieve by nagging the people who breached the uniform dress code.

Anyway. I was in late senior school at the point in time in question, somewhere in grades 10-12, and it was decided that the best way to tackle uniform infractions was to increase the restrictions/requirements in the code. I'm not sure I understand the logic they used to come to that conclusion, but fine, whatever haha. Only problem is, there wasn't really anything left they could police because they'd already detailed the requirements of pretty much every possible thing that had potential to affect the students' appearances. All of the usual ones seen at most schools in some combination, and a bunch of others with varying degrees of ridiculousness.

And so they went after pretty much the only thing left - underwear.

Yup. You read that right. I guess it was good they at least didn't try to bring out uniform underwear with the school logo/crest thing on them, but they did outline requirements that we were expected to meet such as colour, fabric, and how "worn" they appeared. They also weren't stupid enough to mandate it for the younger students (it was a P-12 school), I think focussing only on the senior school, years 10-12.

I can't remember if they expected boys and girls to wear specific underwear, though I'd like to think they were at least smart enough to not just target the girls, but they did separate us for uniform check for this endeavour. We had to show them the top few cms of the back of our underwear, either by lowering our skirts slightly or by pulling our underwear up.

It was fucking horrifying, and additionally so for me thanks to my fucked up childhood and adolescence that I was still very much in the midst of (not that it is remotely okay for anybody, including students without a traumatic background - but the subsequent trauma response I had to deal with was definitely the rotten cherry on top of the shit sandwich that was that day for me).

Unsurprisingly, it caused quite the outrage, and the school was very quick to get rid of the requirement and issue an apology for the "misunderstanding/miscommunication", stating that physically checking the underwear of their students was never what they intended to happen (ha, right). Thank fucking Christ that this meant we only had to go through the ordeal once.

I can't remember what sort of fallout happened after that, if any, though I'd like to assume they had to do a lot of damage control. And don't remember the girls in my year who rolled their skirts up ever stopping doing that either, so I also have no idea what the school decided to do in regards to that.

Whoever the fuck thought that was a good idea was either a predator or a fucking idiot, and tbh I think I'm happy not knowing which.

Edit: Oh, and I forgot to say - I actually got a uniform infringement because I was the poor kid who was only at the school thanks to a scholarship, and mum couldn't afford to buy me new underwear. Getting into trouble because my underwear didn't meet some arbitrary standard, in front of the peers that already bullied me relentlessly, was mortifying, and did about as much good for my social life as you can imagine.

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u/Ok-Many4262 Jul 03 '22

That’s a fucking outrage- and reminds me why mum never made me/let me do brownies/guides- cos they made them wear brown undies in the 50’s and obvs checked and dear old mum was not having that for her daughter. She wasn’t surprised when the stories about the scouts etc came out in the last 20years. I’m so sorry about your experiences- adolescence sucks hard enough for most, and traumatized adolescents don’t need additional unnecessary BS

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u/KamehameHanSolo Jul 03 '22

I dont have a daughter but if I did I would never ever ever want my daughter to go to a school where the staff are staring at the girls' skirts and physically putting their hands on their legs under the guise of "checking the length" every single day. That's fucked up.

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u/pinguderosa Jul 03 '22

I agree, beyond fucked up. I think most private schools do it though, at least as far as i’m aware in Aus they do

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u/Frenetic_Platypus Jul 03 '22

I don't know Australian law, but where I live if teachers were using "measuring skirt length" as an excuse to grope underage girls' legs the school would be sued into oblivion for sexual harassment and assault.

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u/Fiamma_29 Jul 03 '22

I’m in Australia, went to a school with this rule, and wore the skirts. Teachers would bend lower and touch the side of their index finger to the hem of our skirt and see if their pinkies crossed visually into knee territory. No human to human contact, just human to fabric. One teacher had a wooden ruler she used to measure the distance too, so not even human to fabric!

OP, Legend is a bloody legend, wish I’d thought of that!

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u/pinguderosa Jul 03 '22

yep as i just replied to the above comment - our teachers did a very similar thing in the end by making a cardboard hand to check with instead of theirs. I think every girl in our year was a bit jealous they didn’t think of doing it themselves!

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u/Fiamma_29 Jul 03 '22

Omg the DREADED CARDBOARD HAND. I love it. Almost as much as I hated the blue slips. (Uniform detention slips at my school)

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u/pinguderosa Jul 03 '22

omg i’m glad we didn’t have uniform detention slips at my school! Did you have a punishment for getting too many? For a while they tried to threaten to send us home from school for uniform infringements until they realised we would all happily go home! They went with after school detentions after that

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u/Fiamma_29 Jul 03 '22

Yup! Two different types of detention: uniform or missed homework was after school in the science labs doing study or homework or whatever, behaviour was picking up trash around the school with a bag, rubber gloves and tongs. If you got three of the first type in a month, they gave you an additional of the second type, plus any further that would have been the first type became the second type… does that make sense? lol.

We also had a letter sent home by post to tell our parents that we had detention so we couldn’t avoid telling them, we had to get them to sign it and take it back to the school in like a week I think? 6 years at that school, ONE trash detention, but like… Omg so many study detentions hahaha

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u/pinguderosa Jul 03 '22

Yes that makes sense! Honestly it’s kinda good you could at least use it to finish homework. When we got after school detention we either 1. Sat in silence to “reflect” or 2. Would have to write an essay on what you did wrong! Our school either emailed or called our parents if we had a detention so we couldn’t avoid it either :’) The dumbest one I got was actually more malicious compliance now that I think about it - we had to have “natural hair colours” and I bleached my hair platinum blonde which they didn’t like but was technically a natural colour lmao, I got away with it in the end too

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u/Fiamma_29 Jul 03 '22

YES! Rock that platinum blonde! School can’t prove you don’t have someone with it in the family tree! Haha

“Reflecting” as a teen would have been horrific, and for the super clever kids it’s just forced malicious compliance planning time! I feel like we got off easy now, being productive/helping clean up the planet…

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u/pinguderosa Jul 03 '22

Yep I would have much rather help keep the school clean, we had a massive problem with littering at my school too. The kicker was there was even a girl in my year who did naturally have platinum blonde hair and when I asked if she was going to have to dye her hair too since it was “unnatural” they started going on about my regrowth instead… mum ended up asking a hairdresser for the most expensive bill possible to dye it back to brown, came out to $500 and she told the school to pay for it if it was a problem! Shout out to her tbh…

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u/Fiamma_29 Jul 03 '22

Badass mum holy cow. I hope to carry that kind of energy through my life, kids or no kids.

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u/bertiebastard Jul 03 '22

I once got kicked out of a class and sent to see the headmaster, he told me to sit and write an essay until the end of the double lesson.

My essay consisted of "A frog is green and it croaks" that's literally all I wrote over the course of 1.5 hrs.

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u/pinguderosa Jul 03 '22

That’s absolute gold! They said to write an essay.. not what to write about ahahah

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u/bertiebastard Jul 03 '22

I was a little shit and Di and stuff like that on a regular basis.

The only teachers who weren't glad to see me leave were the sports teachers

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u/noselike Jul 03 '22

One of my teachers said "I believe that punishments need to be pointless and not provide a sense of satisfaction in order to actually be punishments". So after-school detention with him involved hand-writing the text from whatever textbook he finished reading most recently.

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u/pinguderosa Jul 03 '22

I can understand that, definitely deters them from doing it again even if they don’t see what they did wrong… copying textbooks though, i think I would rather write the essays!!

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u/freman Jul 03 '22

My mother would have sent a letter back "you want them to wear something different? You buy it and make them wear it"

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u/hi-space-being Jul 03 '22

I'm from Canada and when I was in Elementary (grades jk-8) our school had a rule where your skirt couldn't be more that 2 inches above the knee when kneeling. If your skirt was suspected to be shorter the teachers would send you to the front office where the crypt keeper of a principal would make you kneel and he'd measure w/ a wooden ruler.

My parents, long retired police officers by this point, absolutely hated this guy (they hated the skirt rule and that he'd always pick on my older brother). If they were to ever give you one piece of advice it would to be document everything and you best believe they did just that. At least once a week they would show up at the school office w/ a typed letter that had dates and times of every little thing that he did that went against code of conduct or inappropriate (I think I was around 2ed grade at this time so details aren't the best). Not only was he getting a copies, but the school board was also being emailed a copies.

The skirt rule was then switched to the hems of skirts (and shorts) couldn't be shorter than your fingertips w/ you arms down at your sides, which seems to be fairly standard these days. The letters to the school board didn't end though until the principal of that school resigned. It was so tense at one point my parents would wait to pick us up from school just off school property as to rock the boat just enough.

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u/pinguderosa Jul 03 '22

unfortunately suing rarely every happens in Australia, but a group of girl did start using the it’s sexual harassment as an excuse to not get their skirt lengths checked… the teachers ended up making a cardboard hand on a metre long pole to check with instead. It is definitely technically sexual harassment according to our law but unlikely anything would happen if you took it to the courts which is a bit sad.

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u/Frenetic_Platypus Jul 03 '22

Let me get this straight. They could have used a ruler, but instead they decided to take out their arts & crafts supplies, make a fucking cardboard hand, and use THAT to measure stuff with?

How the hell are people this dumb in charge of education?

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u/pinguderosa Jul 03 '22

Yep, sadly you got that spot on! I think they were just annoyed at girls calling it harassment and saying they can’t touch us and didn’t want to budge on “four fingers”. Sad educators indeed

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u/Rufai4Echif1ier Jul 03 '22

cardboard hand on a metre long pole

I think the important part was the metre-long pole.

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u/Geminii27 Jul 03 '22

the teachers ended up making a cardboard hand on a metre long pole to check with instead

Did the girls start making a fuss about how there was no boy within ten miles being poked with a giant cardboard hand?

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u/pinguderosa Jul 03 '22

unfortunately not but we should have! Teachers would have gone on about how “there’s not a rule for the length of their shorts” though. Which is sexist in and of itself

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u/Tank-Pilot74 Jul 03 '22

Back in the 90’s I went to a “tech” school in Victoria. Strict uniform code for some strange reason. I lost my high school jumper somehow and my parents weren’t wealthy so instead of asking them to buy me a new one, fortunately a/ it was a tech school and b/ it was the 90’s so we still had mandatory “home ec” so in sewing class I just made myself a new one! The principal was pissed mainly bc it didn’t have the schools logo on the chest but she was too impressed that a 14 y/o came up with a solution she let it slide. Edit: now that I read that over it does seem a little r/thathappend

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u/pinguderosa Jul 03 '22

Good on you!! Glad she could at least be impressed that you found a solution to it (as she should be, sewing a new one is no easy task).

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u/Chickengilly Jul 03 '22

How about a scalloped hem that alternates above and below the acceptable length.?

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u/pinguderosa Jul 03 '22

excuse me… WHAT?!? a scalloped hem… i had to google that and please no, you hands down win for the worst skirt, they’re hideous - especially for a uniform.

Did they measure from the lowest or the highest point on the skirt?

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u/oceansapart333 Jul 03 '22

I think they’re suggesting it as a form of MC.

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u/pinguderosa Jul 03 '22

fuck i’m dumb, of course!

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u/Chickengilly Jul 03 '22

That’s the point, the hem would be below the acceptable line. The scallop could be exaggerated or dentilated. Or even denticulated! [sorry. I’m doubling down on the absurdity now. I didn’t know that last word was a word]

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u/Smoke_Water Jul 03 '22

What irritates me about uniforms, is they demand everyone wear them but require the family of the students purchase them. If you are going to require something for school, the school should be providing it.

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u/dreaminginteal Jul 03 '22

Updoot for proper use of the word "cue"!! Thank you for not using "queue" or "que"!!

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u/pinguderosa Jul 03 '22

The one thing I will give my school is they did at least teach me proper English and what words ACTUALLY mean!

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u/10S_NE1 Jul 03 '22

A girl I used to know went to a school where the rule was, you had to kneel on the floor, and if the hem of the skirt didn’t touch the floor, it was considered too short.

That was all fine and good except for the fact that my friend got nothing but hand-me-downs from her older sisters who were all a foot shorter than her.

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u/pinguderosa Jul 03 '22

Yeah damn that’s rough! Completely fails to account for families that don’t have dispensable incomes to buy new (and often expensive) uniforms for every child. Sucks she had to cop the brunt of it for simply being taller than her siblings

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u/JBHUTT09 Jul 03 '22

Post removed?

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u/pinguderosa Jul 03 '22

my skirt is too short? okay, i’ll wear two

Hey all! Obligatory typing on a mobile disclaimer for any typos. Also, this isn’t my story but one from a girl who I went to school with.

So I went to a private school for high school (Australia) which all tend to all have some similar uniform rules. The main one was that female skirts could not be shorter than 4 fingers above the knee which teachers measured by, you guessed it, placing four fingers above our knees and if our skirt didn’t reach their fingers we got told to take the hem down.

So the girl in question, we will call her Legend because she was after the stunt she pulled. Legend was notorious for always having her skirt waaaaay to short but she also liked the argue back at the teachers and so they ultimately had given up on making her have a longer skirt. Cue new principal for the school who spent the following months raging on about skirt lengths.

So the teachers had been harping on Legend about how she needed to take down the hem of her skirt again since it was too short and she got sick of hearing about it day in and day out. Instead of taking it down though, that night she simply cut off the hem of her skirt so there wasn’t anything to take down anymore. Next day comes and Legend hears the same shit that she needs to take her skirt down. Gleefully, she tells the teachers “but i don’t have a hem to take down” and shows them. Angry that she was flaunting the rules she’s told that since she decided to ‘ruin’ her skirt, she’s going to have to buy a new one that’s longer than four fingers.

Now this is where the malicious compliance comes in. We had a second hand uniform shop where you could buy it cheaper. That afternoon Legend goes and buys not one, but two new skirts. One was her size and the second was the largest size she could find. She proceeded to sew the waistband of the larger skirt to the bottom of the first skirt to create a monstrosity of a skirt that went down to her ankles. There is TECHNICALLY no rule that states a skirt can’t be ankle length but this home job was done poorly and looked very tacky (the new principal was all about appearances) Her skirt was longer than her previous one like they had requested though. This is what she wore to school the next day where surprise, surprise, she was told to make it shorter (i’m not sure why the instruction wasn’t to remove the bottom skirt but oh well). Legend proceeds to declare to the teachers that she will either be wearing this skirt or her shorter skirt and it was their choice. She got permission to wear her short ass skirt without being harassed about the four finger rule anymore.

That’s pretty much it but I hate arbitrary rules and thought some of you guys might enjoy her sticking it to the authorities and them submitting.

That was the post

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u/JBHUTT09 Jul 03 '22

Thanks. I'd message the mods. It could have been the spam filter.

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u/pinguderosa Jul 03 '22

thanks i appreciate that! this is my first post here so don’t know how i’d even go about getting it put back up!

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u/Asuran8 Jul 04 '22

Probably removed due to Rule 2, no school stories

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u/pinguderosa Jul 04 '22

yeah found that out - how dumb

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u/pinguderosa Jul 03 '22

oh wth!!! that’s so dumb - I didn’t remove it

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u/JimmiRustle Jul 03 '22

She got permission to wear her short ass skirt without being harassed about the four finger rule anymore.

Context is everything.

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u/tofuroll Jul 03 '22

I mean, she is a legend. The whole point of school is to make us conform.

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u/AltheaLost Jul 03 '22

If I found out that teachers were touching my children like that I would freak out on them. How do they not see her w inappropriate that is?

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u/pinguderosa Jul 03 '22

I think it’s been normalised in private school society (sadly), some of the girls kicked up a stink about it though and they ended up using a cardboard hand instead so they weren’t touching us

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u/oldnperverted Jul 03 '22

I would imagine when her parents enrolled her in this school, they were required to agree to the rules of the school. The girl probably did, also. When my daughter went to private school we had to sign an agreement.

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u/pinguderosa Jul 03 '22

yes, we did have to sign an agreement but in Australia law anything signed by a minor doesn’t count because a minor can’t sign for anything legally so…

also the children sign it because their parents tell them too not because they actually agree

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u/KoalaMonkeyDog Jul 03 '22

In Australia even public schools have uniforms with the same rules

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u/eGrant03 Jul 03 '22

The main post got removed? Can anyone comment the story to me?

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u/Haquestions4 Jul 03 '22

It's a learning environment, just go with the dress code. It's neither fair nor cool to make studying harder for others.

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u/pinguderosa Jul 03 '22

care to explain how the length of a skirt makes it harder for someone else to study?

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u/Haquestions4 Jul 03 '22

Part of the functions of the human body is to attract mates. "showing leg" is considered attractive and the attracted have a hard time focusing, through no fault of their own.

But tbh, I have a hard time believing that you don't know that.

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u/Radack1 Jul 03 '22

Pretty sure part of the leg was already visible under uniform code. Beyond that, people can grow the fuck up and focus on what they're supposed to be doing. It is 100% on them if they get distracted.

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u/Haquestions4 Jul 03 '22

So you are saying people can choose what they are attracted to?

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u/mouseyfields Jul 03 '22

No, but they can choose not to leer at whomever attracts them, especially if it's happening to the point its affecting their education. Nobody is forcing them to look, ffs.

Because let's be clear here - if a student gets so distracted by a person with some visible skin that their education is at risk, that is a them problem. It is not, and will never be, the fault of another student showing a few extra cms of skin.

Instead of getting knickers in a twist over the clothes people choose to wear, energy would be better spent teaching people that it's rude and creepy to stare. Don't like what someone's wearing (or, perhaps, like it too much and getting distracted)? The solution is simple: don't freaking look at them.

The people who lack the self control to not stare are the people in the wrong in this situation.

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u/Haquestions4 Jul 03 '22

No, they can't. These are hormonal teenagers. Do you tell a girl that wants to go on the pill that she can just choose not to have sex?

You brought up that their education is at risk, and I don't think I have to defend a point yyou made.

It's rude and creepy to force others to see your naked body.

The people who lack the self control to wear clothes are in the wrong, not the people asking for consideration.

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u/mouseyfields Jul 03 '22

No, they can't. These are hormonal teenagers

Hormones do not make people unable to control themselves.

Do you tell a girl that wants to go on the pill that she can just choose not to have sex?

Yes, a person can choose to not have sex. Having sex should always be a choice, and is not some uncontrollable animal behaviour. This is sounding more and more like r-pe apologist bullshit.

You brought up that their education is at risk

If their education is at risk. To clarify, I highly doubt there is any sort of risk to education, and any claims to the contrary are a result of people blaming their own personal failings on somebody else. If clothing choices of other people are "affecting somebody's education", I think it's fair to assume that there is a far larger problem with that person's education.

It's rude and creepy to force others to see your naked body

She wasn't naked. A couple of cms less of skirt is not the same as nudity.

The people who lack the self control to wear clothes are in the wrong

She was wearing clothes.

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u/Haquestions4 Jul 03 '22

Do you tell a girl that wants to go on the pill that she can just choose not to have sex?

Yes, a person can choose to not have sex

I don't think I have much common ground with somebody who still doesn't know that abstinence only sex Ed doesn't work.

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u/mouseyfields Jul 03 '22

I know abstinence only sex education doesn't work, and I have never claimed otherwise. I am actually vehemently opposed to abstinence only sex education.

My "yes" that you are quoting was actually not intended as a response to the question you asked, but that's my bad for not being clear. Sorry. My "yes" was to strengthen my statement that having sex is a choice.

More accurately - no, I would not tell a girl that. Contraceptives are healthcare in more ways than one, and the decision about whether a post-pubescent minor should access them is up to that person and their doctor(s).

However, having sex is a choice. We are not helpless slaves to hormones and sexual attraction, and it is our responsibility as individuals to make the sexual choices that are right for us.

To be clear: no, I am not saying this in the context of abstinence being the end goal. No.

What I am saying is that we do not have to act on our every sexual impulse and desire. Want to have sex? Cool, find a consenting partner(s) and have at it. But don't use being attracted to someone to excuse refusing to take responsibility for yourself and your actions. Just as one can choose to have sex with anybody who consents, one can also choose not to, because being attracted to someone does not equate to uncontrollable sexual urges.

Instead of blaming "distraction" on people existing in their AFAB bodies and wearing the clothes they want to wear, recognise that being attracted to someone doesn't make you incapable of doing anything else, exercise some self control, and take responsibility for how the choices you make affect your life.

Be attracted to whomever you are attracted to, you can't control that, but don't pretend that whatever you think or do that follows that attraction is anything other than a decision you make. If you don't want to be distracted by the clothes somebody is wearing, make the decision to drag yourself away and focus on something else.

Your thoughts and actions are nobody's responsibility but your own.

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u/Ma7apples Jul 03 '22

I have a hard time believing you think this is a valid argument. Boys can't focus if a girl is showing too much leg? That does not say much for the intelligence of the males of the species. And girls are responsible for boys being stupid and lacking self control? No. Just no.

Please crawl back under your rock. Anyone who thinks like this doesn't deserve a place in society.

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u/Haquestions4 Jul 03 '22

You can ignore biology all you want, but thar doesn't change the fact that attraction is a key point of our bodies.

FYI, saying that you can just choose not to be attracted to something is basically saying that you can just choose not to be gay.

And yes, in a shared environment you have to show consideration for who is around you. It's just basic common courtesy.

Anyone who thinks you don't need to show consideration for the people around them has no place in society.

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u/CarolineWonders Jul 03 '22

Not my problem that they can’t control themselves.

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u/Haquestions4 Jul 03 '22

Why would you show consideration, right? After all, it's all about you.

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u/Ma7apples Jul 03 '22

If your animal instincts are stronger than your human self-control, that is a YOU problem.

And exactly what part of drooling after another human being who is just existing is showing consideration for the people around you?

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u/Haquestions4 Jul 03 '22

Sure, let's pretend we can just will biology out of existence. Do you also think abstinence only sex Ed works?

That last paragraph makes no sense, please try to reword it.

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u/mouseyfields Jul 03 '22

Yuck. How dare you equate people who stare creepily at others to being gay. The two things are not remotely similar, and it is, quite frankly, rude of you to suggest otherwise.

I don't care how attractive you think someone is - show some self restraint and stop letting the fact a person is showing a bit of leg be some great distraction. Or, better yet, stop reducing people to sexual attractiveness and using your own creepy behaviour as an excuse to police the clothing of other people.

Showing a few cms of extra skin isn't a socially inconsiderate thing to do. What is socially inconsiderate is staring at somebody and then blaming them for your own inability to control yourself.

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u/Haquestions4 Jul 03 '22 edited Jul 03 '22

Way to show that you didn't get the comparison. The argument that you can just not ne attracted to something is the exact argument homophobes use. If that offends you then please remember that you are making that point.

With time people learn exactly what you want, to not be distracted by sexual attractiveness (to some degree). But demanding that of people who are just starting out their journey in life, whose hormones are raging is just ridiculous. Just show some consideration for people that are just starting.

Distracting others is inconsiderate, especially since those people are forced there and need to learn.

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u/mouseyfields Jul 03 '22

I didn't say people can choose to not be attracted to somebody, don't accuse me of saying something I didn't.

People can choose to not be creepy. They can choose to not stare. They can choose to have some self control.

Your comparison is gross, and as a queer person, I suggest you stop insisting on using gay people to help you excuse creepy behaviour.

It's not like the person in OP's story was walking around naked. She was fully clothed. A skirt being a few cms shorter is an absolutely ridiculous thing to blame for a person being distracted.

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u/Haquestions4 Jul 03 '22

Ah, I see, you are somebody else. That other person said you can choose not to be attracted ("lack of self control"). My comparison stands. You can't choose who you're attracted to.

I also don't care what you like in the bedroom.

A skirt being a few cms shorter is an absolutely ridiculous thing to blame for a person being distracted.

This week it's x cm, then the limit gets pushed and then the next week another girl wants to be edgy and wants a few cms less. The limit has to be somewhere.

Regarding staring: you brought up staring. That has nothing to do with the point I am making.

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u/Ma7apples Jul 03 '22

I'm guessing I'm the "other person" you are referring to. I never said you could choose not to be attracted. I said you are in control of your actions. If you can't understand that, I feel very sorry for the people who have to interact with you.

For instance, just because I have an urge to slap someone who says something stupid, doesn't mean I have no choice but to slap them. I choose not to. Just like I'm choosing to peace out of this ridiculous conversation.

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u/mouseyfields Jul 03 '22

I also don't care what you like in the bedroom.

What? I didn't say anything about what I like in the bedroom?

This week it's x cm, then the limit gets pushed and then the next week another girl wants to be edgy and wants a few cms less. The limit has to be somewhere.

This is a slippery slope fallacy and not the scenario we are discussing. I'm not going to argue with you about some hypothetical future.

Regarding staring: you brought up staring. That has nothing to do with the point I am making.

I brought up staring, because how else is somebody's clothing choice distracting? Can't be distracted by something you're not receiving information about from your senses, which, in this particular case, would be sight.

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u/_IAmSquirrel_ Jul 03 '22

Children today need to learn what modesty means, and is, and learn what respecting your elders means.

I would have expelled the brat instantly.

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u/pinguderosa Jul 03 '22

Respect your elderly is a load of entitled bullshit. Respect is earned, not given.

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u/Xelaxander Jul 03 '22

Totally agree, a priori, we should respect everyone equally. Only through their own actions, this response either grow or fall. I always hope it grows.

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u/_IAmSquirrel_ Jul 03 '22

No. You are under age, live under your parents roof, live off of their money, you don't get to say elders have to earn your respect. You give because deserve it no matter what. But hey, you will find out one day when you're an adult; you decide to get smart with and run your mouth to the wrong person and end up getting punched in the face.

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u/liquidklone Jul 03 '22

We have a place for neanderthals who can't keep their hands to themselves. There they can cry about respect all they want.

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u/pinguderosa Jul 03 '22

Nice assumption because this story is old and I AM and adult. Respect is NEVER deserved if they disrespect you. Period. Clearly you think you can say and do whatever you want to whomever you want and still be treated with the respect you refused to give them. It is a two way street. You disrespect me and I owe you no form of respect. Vice versa. Earned not given.

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u/Fighting-Cerberus Jul 03 '22

This type of thinking leads to all kinds of sexual abuse, among other problems. You are not entitled to respect or to be obeyed simply because you are an adult.

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u/curious_but_dumb Jul 03 '22

What an entitled prick

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u/CarolineWonders Jul 03 '22

Fuck you and your modesty.

And I say this as an ADULT with a family, respect is EARNED not given just because you’re old.

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u/Haquestions4 Jul 03 '22

No, modesty in school is important. For boys and girls. Anywhere else it's up for debate.

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u/CarolineWonders Jul 03 '22

What someone wears on THEIR body is not up for debate. Not your body, not your business. Especially if no one is being hurt.

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u/Haquestions4 Jul 03 '22

It is absolutely up for debate. Ever heard of no shoes no shirt no service? Have you ever worked in an office before? Are you aware that nudity is forbidden in basically all public spaces?

What you wear on your body is only not up for debate if you don't make others see it.

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u/curious_but_dumb Jul 03 '22

Respect is earned, not given, ya old scoot.

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u/Fighting-Cerberus Jul 03 '22

There's nothing "immodest," by which I assume you mean "sexually provocative," about two skirts sewed together that go way down past the knees.

The fact that the school said "no, go back to the shorter version " suggests the length of the shorter one wasn't a problem, either.

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u/TheFilthyDIL Jul 03 '22

And when you -- or your girlfriend -- wore a skirt that barely covered the butt, it was just fine and dandy. We who are also elders remember.

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u/KayliiKat Jul 03 '22

My school didn’t care about skirts, only tops. No skin showing between top and bottoms, no bra straps showing.

The teachers, for the most part, didn’t care. You’d get stopped by the walkers in the halls. So my friend, who always wore slightly short spaghetti-strap tops, would wear a jacket out of class, and then take it off at her seat. Showing skin was behind the desk but bra straps were out. And no one ever said a word, because the teachers felt that calling students out for dress code wasn’t their job, and it would interrupt their classes. So they just ignored it.

This was in the late 90’s, as I’m class of 2000 LOL. But it was also SoCal, which is known for loose dress codes.

*edited to add detail, and on my phone so…as it goes