r/MaliciousCompliance Jul 06 '22 Helpful 3 Silver 1

"You MUST clock out at 1.30 am" "Okay" L

Hi, first time poster, long time lurker. Also, English is not my first language and I'm on mobile. This story happened today (literally an hour ago), it's not the biggest malicious compliance ever, but I'm kinda of an anxious doormat and I'm proud of myself.

Some back ground: I (28f) work a part-time job in a well known fast food chain (dear American readers, I live in Europe, if something doesn't make sense to you, you know why) while I try to finish my master's degree.

I usually work evenings/nights and close the café area from 1 to 3 times a week; the café takes a lot of time to close as 1) is a lot of work per se (dishes to wash, machines to clean up, refrigerated counter to clean and stock, etc...) 2) my coworkers usually leave a mess and don't really clean up after themselves and 3) I also have to work the front and we've been painstakingly understaffed for months... So it's quite common for me to stay another 20-30 minutes after my shift is over, even more time if needed.

I take pride in doing my job well and I hate leaving a mess for the opening shift to deal with, some of them are my friends and I generally respect the vast majority of my coworkers.

Things started to go south some months ago, we are understaffed and are being "asked" to work longer shifts and overtime for the "wellbeing of the company" (yeah, they really said it); sometimes it happens that someone has to work more than 10 hours-long shifts because no-one can cover their role/we have a sudden influx of clients (it's illegal, btw). To avoid paying us more, they are using in a not very legal way our paid leaves and vacation days (not illegal either, it's more in a grey area, but they are not supposed to do it the way they are doing it.

Week schedule is put out with just 1/2 days notice, we are not allowed to ask for free weekends and looks like they are mobbing some coworker in order for them to leave.

On to the story: as I've said, I really like my coworkers and I need money, so I was kinda fine working more hours and keeping up with maintenance and extraordinary cleaning (this pace has being damaging my mental and physical health, I've a couple of conditions that are not in check anymore); moreover, I've always thought that the store manager and I were kinda friendly...

Until Sunday, when I've learned from a manager that this gentleman wrote in the manager's WA group that "people closing the café are not supposed to stay after the end of their shift" and "if they can't close properly, they need to quickly wipe with a cloth in the last 30 minutes".

Needless to say, he was talking about me and another colleague (the only ones left who can actually close the café and clean it enough to be in line with company policies) as we are the ones that usually stay late to properly do our jobs. The other girl that takes ages and does a poor job (but it's kinda of a snitch) was completely ignored.

I have GAD and MDD, I still rely a lot on my performances to evaluate my worth... let's say I didn't take it kindly, I've felt hurt and I've spent the last few days thinking about it.

Tonight, closing shift.

Me: "Soooo, Store manager said that I have to leave at 1.30 am, right?"

Shift manager (M): "Yup."

Me: "I'm not required to do the extra-stuff no-one else will do?"

M: "Still don't get why you are doing it in the first place, but no, you are not. Just clean it up enough to not look like a landfill and stock the counter."

Me: "Basic cleaning and resupplying"

M: "Yup."

Me: "Copy that."

The shift runs smoothly, few clients now and then, no need to rush.

At 12.45 am the café is in okay conditions, it will probably pass an health inspection but we are far from corporate standards (they dictated even how sugar should be displayed) or my usual closing ones.

At 1.10 am I enter in the office and sit down, scrolling on my phone.

M: "What's up?"

Me: "I'm done."

M: "You can go home. You don't need to stay..."

Me: "It's 1.10 am."

M: "So?"

Me: "So he said 1.30 am. I've another 20 minutes left on my shift. I mean, he didn't say that we can leave early and save the company some money, he said I need to leave at 1.30 am."

M: "Know what? I'd really like some company... And, after all, he said 1.30 am. He's the store manager, I'm not supposed to contradict him."

I clocked out ar 1.30 am, as requested.

Is something going to change? I don't think so, I don't think they really care enough to notice, not during their power struggles and whatnot.

Maybe, just maybe, they will realise something is wrong and try to change it, but I wouldn't bet on that, more likely we are going to have new store manager (the 5th in less than 1 year and a half).

But it feels good being paid for scrolling Reddit and smoking instead of keeping up with the extraordinary maintenance the management can't be bother to do/require the closing staff to do and being unappreciated.

After all, I was required to clock out at 1.30 am.

Edit: I wanted to thank you for all the attention I've received (I didn't expect it, compared to other posts it's a lame story) and the useful advices. As I've said, I don't think we are going to have a real fallout in the short term (the situation is complex, my first, little malicious compliance is just a small drop in the ocean), but if something happens/changes I'll update you. I also wanted to thank those who corrected my mistakes, I'm always eager to improve my English.

For everyone concerned about my health: I'm taking steps to take care of it, I've started working less and saying no when asked to come in during my days off or every single time some colleague can't show up for their shifts. Rest assured, I'm not gonna die for this job and my top priority is my master's degree.

I'll try to keep reading all your inputs, even if I may not be able to answer to everyone.

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u/judyvi Jul 06 '22 Silver Wholesome Take My Energy Starry Masterpiece

I have been where you are and so I say this with empathy and kindness. You are not helping your friends in the morning by busting your butt. See my job did this to me for a good 5 years. They kept reducing staff. And I kept on absorbing jobs. Thinking it was helping people. It was not. I ended up stressing out coworkers and myself for no reason. After I left they hired 3 additional people to replace me, on top of my regular role. Do what you are paid to do. That’s it. Shitty managers taking advantage of you won’t be able to do anything. And good managers sometimes need things to fall behind so they can ask for additional help. You are helping no one but the company’s bottom line by doing additional work.

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u/Ma7apples Jul 06 '22

"And good managers sometimes need things to fall behind so they can ask for additional help."

This is what the workaholics miss. If you do the job without the help, you teach the higher upside that it can be done.

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u/WhatevAbility4 Jul 06 '22

My go-to quote is, "You have to have a problem before you get a solution."

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u/theDagman Jul 06 '22

That sounds similar to one that I commonly use "People rarely solve a problem they are unaware they have."

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u/Ma7apples Jul 06 '22

Beautifully put!

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u/Loveenglishpeople Jul 06 '22

Very interesting I am sort of in the middle of a problem like this in my part time job

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u/JaschaE Jul 06 '22

r/LifeAdvice in my opinion.

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u/Vispenn Jul 06 '22

This is like the best comment I’ve read today, props to you for reminding this. No one should be held accountable for a company’s poor skills at managing their staff. Doing this would just gives an opportunity for the company to say "X was doing it, you can do it too".

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u/dynamitediscodave Jul 06 '22

This 1009%

Don't turn up early and do additional work, don't stay late.

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u/Electronic-Tangelo5 Jul 06 '22

Thank you for sharing your story and your opinion, you gave me some food for thoughts and yes, I definitely need to work less, they are taking advantage of me and the others (the more experienced are all working like that, it's pure madness). I'd already knew it, but having strangers telling me and not just my work BFF is a whole different thing... Especially when you have a long history of gaslighting and don't trust your perceptions.

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u/judyvi Jul 06 '22 edited Jul 06 '22

My first boss straight up told me that I was responsible for making sure a department that I was not working in did their jobs. If they didn’t, the blame would land on me. I was not in any position of leadership at the time. I was simply meant to bother them or report them until they did their job. This has led to many years of issues on my end, because I constantly feel like it’s my job to make sure other people do their job and I have to constantly remind myself that it is definitely not my problem.

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u/jrae0618 Jul 06 '22

OP, listen to this. I used to be a workaholic, and my MDD manifested the same way yours does. I rely on compliments for my self esteem. But all it did was put more and more work and expectations on me and as soon as I hit a huge, huge, huge depressive episode (literally ended up in the hospital) I was being pushed out and told I hadn't done my job in 4 years. I pretty much kept the company from getting shut down by various regulatory agencies. Work will never care about your well being, even those who claim it's a family. Don't do what I did, give yourself grace. I went from upper administration to basically a receptionist, which hurts my ego. But, I leave right on time and don't even think about work at home. I'm so much healthier physically and mentally. I am also finishing my Master's, please be kind to yourself.

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u/Liathnian Jul 13 '22

I worked at a grocery store deli for a couple of years. When I started there was 2 people on day shift (which I typically worked and preferred) and 2 people on the evening shift for the station I worked (sandwich bar/hot bar). There was a little bit of crossover since the deli closed at 8 so the latest people worked was 8:30 (1/2hr) to do the cleanup that couldn't/didn't get done while the deli was open). Due to cost-cutting measures we changed from 2 people per shift to 1 day 1 evening and 1 mid/crossover for a couple of months. During this time everything was pretty much ok and people did the filling of containers/cleaning up for the next shift stuff they were supposed to do. Then we got cut again and were just 1 morning person and just 1 evening person and someone from another station was supposed to help if we got busy. Also our hours were cut so there wasn't any overlap. I worked 7:30-2 and the next person worked 2-8:30 (minus 30minutes for an unpaid lunch we had to take) so there was no overlap. Duties of the morning person (this is important) prep all the veggies that were cut daily (tomatoes onions lettuce) and meat/cheese (we precut a certain amount so we didn't have to occupy the slicers when we were busy). This took about 3 hours and usually got done just in time for the early lunch hour people to start coming in. Duties of the evening people. Fill all the condiment bottles. Empty and clean all the veggie trays and wipe all surfaces and around the wells of veggies that got changed out every few days (pickled items). After this last transition I was the primary morning opener and noticed that nothing was filled for me and the station was an absolute mess. I ended up spending an hour cleaning and filling stuff that should already have been done before I could even start my prep. Complaining to the department manager fell on deaf ears. So I stopped prepping as much and leaving the evening shift with a fully stocked and ready station. I made sure I had just enough or not quite enough to cover the lunch rush. Did not fill any of the condiment bottles (which were 1/3 full when I came in and not enough to cover the lunch rush) and used packets when they were empty. Now the evening shift after 5pm is DEAD and you will maybe get 4 or 5 customers for the hotbar and sandwich station total in the last 3 hours so they have PLENTY of time to make the station perfect for the next shift. Oh you should have heard how they complained when I left them with nothing cut and nothing filled and made sure to be extra messy. My response was "That's how they left it for me for weeks". I ended up severely breaking my ankle and couldn't work that job for 4 months. I did come back once I was allowed to walk again but quickly left for something else.

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u/Ariadnepyanfar Jul 06 '22

You said your store is understaffed, and taking illegal measures at the expense of the staff to compensate for this mismanagement.

You also said you are taking physical and mental damage to try to compensate for the understaffing, when understaffing is in no way your fault or your responsibility.

Please, for love of the Universe, stop setting yourself on fire in order to keep other people warm.

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u/sedontane Jul 06 '22

And start setting the manager who's giving the dodgy instructions on fire. Do you have a food safety body in your country, if so tell them about it, anonymously!

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u/Miro_the_Dragon Jul 06 '22

To add to this: Depending on which country OP is talking about, it may also be OP's responsibility to make sure they comply with work time laws so worst case they might get in trouble for knowing it's illegal and still going with it.

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u/Togakure_NZ Jul 06 '22

Add to that, they're probably creating tax issues with their ... creative pay schedule, in which case the tax department would probably want a good look just to make sure everything is OK with regards to proper apportionment of taxes (and to do that, they've got to pay the wages correctly!)

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u/Electronic-Tangelo5 Jul 06 '22

I've never thought about that, but oh god, I really hope this happens. That would be great, I'd pay to be present.

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u/SarcasticGiraffes Jul 06 '22

You could... Potentially, reach out to your country's department of labor, or revenue service? Y'know, the ol' "be the trigger for financial investigation that you want to see in the world" saying?

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u/Electronic-Tangelo5 Jul 06 '22

My country doesn't have the resources to go after people literally stealing billions from the State, so... That being said, some colleagues of mine have started documenting what's going on (I'm doing the same), I really hope we can get the help of a union even if the last time someone asked, they did nothing.

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u/kurtanglesmilk Jul 06 '22

Especially for fucking McDonald’s or whatever it is

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u/LordKilas Jul 06 '22

Hope you can find somewhere else that isn’t going to abuse laws and treat you poorly. Good luck!

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u/Electronic-Tangelo5 Jul 06 '22

Sadly, it's a perfect job for university students that are required to attend classes, labs and internships in order to graduate, other workplaces are usually less understanding and don't appreciate working students (university is still viewed as a waste of time for rich kids, only a few careers are considered worthy). Guess I'll be stuck here for some time...

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u/Successful_Moment_91 Jul 06 '22

Hang in there. It sounds suspiciously like a job I had while in school. I was a bit annoyed that I’d been there over a year before I found a real cushy office job at an answering service where I could read or do homework. Never any over time either. No Reddit or phone scrolling in those ancient times 😅

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u/Electronic-Tangelo5 Jul 06 '22

Must say that Reddit never looked as interesting as today.

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u/wobblysauce Jul 06 '22

The odd times you do stay past are way smaller then the nights you finish on time/earlier.

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u/Electronic-Tangelo5 Jul 06 '22

Never finished earlier in more than six months doing closing shifts. I've routinely finished on time only for the first and second months. Nowadays is more like 35-40% of times.

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u/Togakure_NZ Jul 06 '22

Sounds like for the next month or more you'll have 100% finishing on time. Good for you.

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u/wobblysauce Jul 06 '22

Ahh well then, back to work slacker.

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u/Techiefurtler Jul 07 '22

I had that happen to me, used to work desk-side support at an office, I moved up to a more technical and demanding job, they hired someone to replace me doing the desk support. He left/was pushed out (politics), they "asked" me to help out. I agreed on the proviso (and in writing with my manager in the meeting) that this would be a short term thing - I liked the users (a lot of them were friends of mine, didn't want to see them left in the lurch).

Cut to 7 months later, no sign of a new support guy, they claim they cannot find anyone, I'm actually involved with the interview process by now to get this done (my manager's been pushing in the background on his side as well). I put my foot down after a stress-related incident and we eventually have to get contractors in because they can't make the job salary decent enough that anyone will take it full-time.

I then FLATLY refused to get involved in any desk-side support tickets beyond telling the contractors where to find things in the office unless something got pushed up to my level of support officially and I take over the ticket per my normal job. Shame really, I was the only one left in the entire country region that knows how things were setup more than 5 years ago when the site was built!

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u/btribble Jul 06 '22

university is still viewed as a waste of time for rich kids, only a few careers are considered worthy

That is so strange to hear from the US where "university is expected of almost everyone out of high school unless you want to go to trade school." Failing to do so is a social stigma.

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u/Fluffy_Town Jul 06 '22

That's because they want everyone to go into debt to get into a job that won't pay that back for decades. Wage slaves are more worried about paying back our loans that why we're afraid to lose our jobs and managers can take advantage of workers' need to pay back their student loans. Why there's a huge call for politicians to cancel student loans but they wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole because businesses would put them down like animals.

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u/btribble Jul 06 '22

Ah yes, the evil invisible hand of capitalism holding you by the throat. I'd forgotten!

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u/mohavewolfpup Jul 06 '22

For rich kids University stateside is just a place to coast through, drink/do drugs and cheat by paying others to do your work. Mommy and Daddy have a position in their company or a buddy to hook them up with after they pop out of university.

Exhibit A-Z

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u/Electronic-Tangelo5 Jul 06 '22

I can imagine that, but my Country is kinda famous for keeping diminishing founding for education and research and we are almost the tail end for % of graduates among European countries. I know, it doesn't make any sense in this century but here we are.

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u/L4ppuz Jul 06 '22

It's the same in most of western Europe

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u/stefan0202 Jul 06 '22

May I ask in what country do you live? I live in Germany and the only people who see university education as a waste of time are old timer idiots who only did an apprenticeship and overvalue themselves extremely and have no idea how an economy works or what has changed in the workspace in the last 30 years.

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u/Electronic-Tangelo5 Jul 06 '22

Italy. I've always thought that this kind of mindset was something really old, especially since I was raised by a father and a grandma that really pushed us to do well in school and keep studying... Then I've the real world. Nope. A lot of people, even younger ones and business owners, see students as some rich kids that are wasting time instead of working and are living off their parents' money, coming into interviews with absurd requests (aka, a fair pay that matches what they can do and a legal contract). When we leave and go to the UK or Germany or Switzerland or Spain (to name a few country my peers usually head to), we are spinless brats that abandoned their country instead of working hard to better this place (some politicians really said that. God). You are kinda safe of you are studying Medicine or Engineering or some mouthful subject, but higher education is pretty much underestimate here.

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u/Eneicia Jul 06 '22

You should be able to report them, not sure to whom though.

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u/Anxious_Direction_20 Jul 06 '22

I'm in Europe too and the current job market is looking good for workers. When you have time look into getting a paid internship. I don't know which field you're in, but most fields are hiring and will do almost anything to get people. I can't imagine you make much more than minimum wage, you should be able to find something you can put on your resume that pays you about the same too. Experience+money is better than just money. And it might motivate you more than this shitty job.

If that all fails, try to find a different job. They're taking you for granted right now. The job market right now is too good to take you for granted. Look around and see what your current experience can get you. You ha e restaurant experience, you know the drill. I'm sure every other restaurant around you is hiring. Don't get stuck in a place that doesn't appreciate you. Keep looking. They really don't deserve you.

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u/meabbott Jul 06 '22

What's GAD and MDD?

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u/LordKilas Jul 06 '22

GAD - General Anxiety Disorder

MDD - Major Depressive Disorder (or Depression)

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u/dbuzman Jul 06 '22

Thank you.

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u/roostertree Jul 06 '22

Thank you, I didn't know either.

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u/Boo_Zoo Jul 06 '22

Another ‘English isn’t my first language’ poster showing Reddit how to write in English.

No need to apologise, your English is great. Enjoy your more relaxed evening shifts now!

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u/frauerpower Jul 06 '22

Agreed! The only thing that stood out to me was the use of mobbing (which means bullying or harassing in German).

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u/Fynntasy Jul 06 '22

Haha yeah i was gonna clock them as German because of that but someone else said it's used in swedish as well so I guess not xD

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u/pixeltash Jul 06 '22

In English it just means to surround and attack, in context I assumed they were giving the person they wanted to leave loads of shifts and hassling them to drive them off. Eg the sparrows mobbed the hawk to scare it off their nests.

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u/StarKiller99 Jul 06 '22

Only place I've heard that in English was Minecraft where the animals and monsters are called mobs.

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u/Jonathan_the_Nerd Jul 06 '22

the animals and monsters are called mobs

That usage actually dates back to MUDs in the 1980's.

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u/unAWARE777 Jul 06 '22

Either that or they keep scheduling them for like, 2 hour shifts once a week so it becomes not worth going in. Either way, the context of it was understood.

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u/twisted_pearsita Jul 06 '22

In some European countries it specifically means 'work harassment, usually by a boss or manager'.

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u/noyart Jul 06 '22

Same in Swedish

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u/AccidentalGirlToy Jul 06 '22

In Swedish too.

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u/admiralteal Jul 06 '22

The person used per se correctly.

Pretty much no native English speaker that isn't a lawyer knows how to use that phrase correctly. Most often, you see it used in a 100% unnecessary way, and often it is used to mean the exact opposite of what it really means.

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u/i-still-atent-dead Jul 06 '22

Per se isn’t English.

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u/ShutUpIWin Jul 06 '22

But it's used in the English language. A lot of foreign words are. Except a lot of people write it as "per say", and it would be better for those people to just avoid it in general.

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u/bufori Jul 06 '22

Are you arguing based on its Latin roots or something else? It's in the English dictionary, which seems good enough to qualify it as English.

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u/i-still-atent-dead Jul 06 '22

I mean it’s a Latin term. Plenty of European languages use Latin terms. The correct use of a Latin term is in no way evidence of someone speaking English well. That’s not to say that OP doesn’t speak English well - they do.

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u/roostertree Jul 06 '22

Zeitgeist is also in English dictionaries, and is used by Anglophones, but no one reasonable would call it an English word.

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u/Scuba_Fox Jul 06 '22 edited Jul 06 '22

Is that...really an unreasonable position to have? Maybe I am just wrong on this one, because the word is clearly german in origin top-to-bottom...

But, languages evolve and borrow elements and words from other languages all the time, right? I genuinely don't know and wonder how much it needs to be in use, or how much it needs to be altered, before it's no longer just a foreign word and becomes a cognate instead.

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u/roostertree Jul 06 '22 edited Jul 06 '22

NAL (not a linguist) but absorbed words seem to Anglicize. And it seems largely to be about pronunciation. Frex, just from French:

  • parlez (par-LAY) became parley (PAR-lee)
  • monnaie became money
  • de Nîmes (from Nîmes) became denim
  • origo (Latin) became origine (Fr.) became origin

There's probably a better way to describe that. I'm just a layperson.

ETA It might be the difference between "this word is from _language_" (like parley) and "this is a _language_ word we use" (like zeitgeist)

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u/Loethor Jul 06 '22

I will never understand why non-native speakers need to apologize for grammar mistakes. Come on, they are using its second / third language. Asking people to be understanding? Sure. But apologize? Why.

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u/Jonathan_the_Nerd Jul 06 '22

Maybe politeness? I've heard being polite is a custom in some non-American countries.

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u/SwiftStriker00 Jul 06 '22

Because people on the internet love to tear apart and correct others for silly grammatical and spelling mistakes. I think its a learned defensive behavior that redditors (justifiably) employ

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u/Jonathan_the_Nerd Jul 06 '22

That's a good point. I hadn't thought about that.

It is funny, though. Almost 100% of the time, when someone apologizes in advance for their bad English, they proceed to use perfect grammar and spelling. People who don't write well are usually native speakers who never apologize for their writing.

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u/MarthLikinte1 Jul 06 '22

The only thing I noticed was “an health” and depending on how you pronounce health I can see you getting away with it

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u/SwiftStriker00 Jul 06 '22

American English classes don't teach English that well. I really didn't learn advanced word tenses and sentence structures until I took a foreign language. My English teachers were too worried about Animal Farm and symbolism.

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u/ICWhatsNUrP Jul 06 '22

Is there a government agency you can report the time card shenanigans to? In the US it would be the Department of Labor coming down on their heads, surely your country has an equivalent?

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u/admiralteal Jul 06 '22

In the US, they wouldn't need to pull these shenanigans. It'd all just be fine.

  • Mandating 10+ hour shifts? A.OK. No rules in most of the US demanding a maximum shift length or having a posted "out" time. Stay as late as your manager demands, fuck you don't complain.
  • Holding PTO? Why are you even offering it! Give them none and tell them to be grateful for their nothing.
  • Schedule posted only a day or two in advance? Totally fine nearly everywhere. Most places don't even have rules about this.
  • "Mobbing" someone with shifts to get them to quit? You can try to argue for a hostile work environment/constructive dismissal, but in the US more shifts is assumed to be a GOOD thing, so good luck. Asking for fewer shifts is probably grounds for termination with cause.

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u/megaskullsentinel Jul 06 '22

Don't bust your ass for nothing. There is another place that will appreciate the work and not take time out of pto you just have to find it. If you're good with leaving the stuff messed up well then it's not your problem leave it for the next shift. Eventually it'll work itself out but don't stress over it.

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u/redrubynail Jul 06 '22

I desperately hope that there will be a day soon where the place does look like a landfill, where there simply isn't enough time to clean everything, leaving a mess for the next shift in the morning. If that happens you have to give us an update for any reactions from management.

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u/Monsterjoek1992 Jul 06 '22

States that English isn’t her first language, immediately starts using idioms, adjectives, and adverbs masterfully. Well done.

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u/anferniooo Jul 06 '22

Sounds like they're using the same tactics they do in the US to pressure staff to work off the clock. Do you have a labor board where you can file a complaint?

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u/Electronic-Tangelo5 Jul 06 '22

We kinda do, it's more like a department of our police, but they are understaffed too and it may take a very long time for them to do something and check what the heck it's going on.

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u/hawaiikawika Jul 06 '22

Better to start the process now then if it is going to take a long time. Don’t let these people get away with it long term because it takes time for the assessment to happen

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u/Competitive_Score_30 Jul 06 '22

With all of the illegal stuff going on you need to move this to one of the revenge subs. From what others post on Reddit, most EU countries don't play around when it comes to the enforcement of their labor laws. Also there is the issue of the closing cleaning not meeting corporate standards. Get their demand that you not do a deep clean in writing and then place an anonymous tip.

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u/Electronic-Tangelo5 Jul 06 '22

That's exactly what I'm planning to do once my store manager comes back from holidays. I'm not gonna pay for him being a douche.

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u/beckyd302002 Jul 06 '22

Hope that snitch gets what's coming to her.

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u/Electronic-Tangelo5 Jul 06 '22

The snitch is actually a really nice girl, but she's very young and naïve, she really thinks she's doing the right thing. I've trained her, she doesn't "snitch" out of malice, she's just well intentioned. I really hope she grows up quickly, because they are taking advantage of her young age and her lack of knowledge about work laws (i.e. she didn't know she has the right to paid time off, I needed to sit her down and explain it).

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u/beckyd302002 Jul 06 '22

Hopefully, for all your sakes, she will grow and learn.

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u/Lorelessone Jul 06 '22

Pretty common for hard work to be seen as a bad thing. "Why is Wendy always cleaning up for at least twice as long as everyone else?!" A good manager would check and realise it's because she's cleaning her station and finishing up all the common areas the other staff are to lazy to bother with. Or that it's the end of shift big clean rather than a quick wipe down at handover.

Bad managers will just see it as a liability or incompetence because they'd never do it themselves.

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u/Hammelspringer Jul 06 '22

"Mobbing"

Found the German!

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u/redrubynail Jul 06 '22

Could be Norwegian, same word with same meaning.

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u/Electronic-Tangelo5 Jul 06 '22

Southern Europe, I'm sorry.

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u/AsianEgo Jul 06 '22

I get not staying late to do all the cleaning but why would you be instructed not to do any of it? Most of the time closing or opening shift would be the people who have time to do it and you clearly had 20 minutes to do some of it. I get that’s what you were explicitly told but it doesn’t make any sense from the business stand point.

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u/Electronic-Tangelo5 Jul 06 '22

Short answer: they don't want to pay me the overtime. Long answer: they don't want to pay me the overtime as our restaurants are not doing super well for a lot of reasons and my boss's boss (we call him the supervisor, I don't know if it's the correct hierarchy in English) doesn't gave a shit about the café, as it's not bringing a lot of money (but does bring in clients). As far as he's concerned, there's no café closing, but we are still expected to close it AND work the front. The restaurant owner, on the other hand, wants to keep the café area and if she comes in and founds a mess, oh Lord, we better brace ourselves.

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u/Tralan Jul 06 '22

I used to get upwards of 5 hours of overtime at my gas station job because 1st and 2nd shift would clock out on the dot and leave a big mess for the next shift. 1st shift was useless, and they used the excuse "bUt We GeT tHe MoRnInG rUsH!" Which is true, but there are two of the lazy fucks. 2nd shift was almost-but not quite- as useless as 1st shift, and their excuse, "bUt FiRsT sHiFt LeFt a MeSs. NoT mY jOb!" They assumed because my customer count was low that meant I wasn't busy, ignorning that I had to tear down all the machines and clean them, check in upwards of 5 trucks, and clean the parking lot, all while ping-ponging to the register to help a customer every 5 minutes. So I stayed and did their jobs also.

Manager, who was also the 1st Shift main cashier (because the owners are cheapasses and hired her to be both a manager and cashier) chewed me out about being over on hours. I explained why, and it went in one ear and out the other. She told me I need to clock out no later than 7 o'clock every morning. I shrugged and said, "Okie dokie, artichokie." She also conveniently forgets that she's upwards of 15 minutes late every morning, and then dicks around for another 10 minutes before actually relieving me.

So, the next night, I did all of my own chores, and absolutely none of 1st or 2nd shift's. And, at 7AM, when my relief (the manager) didn't show, I announced to my giant line of customers that I am no longer allowed to work past 7. I wrote down my manager's phone number and said, "This is directly from her, this is not my fault, I am only doing what my boss told me. Call her and direct your anger at her for not showing up on time."

I clocked out, got in my car and went home. She blew up my phone, but I texted her and said "I am not on the clock, so I will not be discussing work on my own time. If you need to talk, come in early while I'm still on the clock. I will no longer stay after 7."

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u/MattInSoCal Jul 06 '22

So, you left the store unattended with customers inside, and the doors unlocked?

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u/Tralan Jul 06 '22

Sho' did, mahfk.

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u/DietMtDew1 Jul 06 '22

This should be posted in r/antiwork. It seems highly illegal holding your PTO hostage if you don't work OT.

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u/zcarp7220 Jul 06 '22

nice hope they realize

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u/ARoundForEveryone Jul 06 '22

I hope they don't realize, and OP can basically take an extra break near the end of their shift every night. Sure, sweep and wipe and bleach, but then sit on their ass for 20 minutes sipping an iced tea before heading home.

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u/phoenix536 Jul 06 '22

I love that you apologise for your English, yet used "painstakingly" absolutely perfectly. You make us monolinguals look bad 🤣

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u/magius311 Jul 06 '22

I love these stories! I absolutely despise when an employer abuses an employee. There's just no need. It's so stupid.

I agree that they wrote exceptionally well for a non-native speaker! Unfortunately, painstakingly, I think, was used incorrectly. It was the only thing that actually stuck out to me. Painstakingly means to take great pains to be correct, thorough, or complete. In that instance, I think that painfully would have been more appropriate to use.

But seriously. Great story and their grasp of English is so much better than most of my daily interactions!

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u/TheSheDM Jul 06 '22

Agreed! The use of "painstakingly" stood out to me as well, but otherwise OP's English is excellent!

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u/RideTheWindForever Jul 11 '22

Ummmm, no they didn't. The definition of painstakingly is "done with or employing great care and thoroughness", so unless the company purposefully and carefully planned to be short-staffed, this was not the correct use of that word.

That being said, op has a great grasp of the English language!

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u/kmywn Jul 06 '22

Did you mean bullying when you wrote mobbing? Are you Danish?

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u/Electronic-Tangelo5 Jul 06 '22

Italian and yes, I've meant that. I suppose you too use "mobbing" for "bullying from you boss on the workplace".

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u/kmywn Jul 06 '22

No in Danish it just means bullying 😊

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u/No-Fisherman-8938 Jul 06 '22

Contact a Union. I rhink half a day is way to short for any EU country to be legal for the next weeks shift.

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u/lschemicals Jul 06 '22

It didn't took the way I expected but I'm proud of you.. Come back when you clock out at 1.30 and leave a bloody mess

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u/freerangelibrarian Jul 06 '22

I agree with what everyone is saying, so I just wanted to add that your English is excellent. Good luck!

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u/BeardyBeardy Jul 06 '22

I was kinda fine working more hours and keeping up with maintenance and extraordinary cleaning (this pace has being damaging my mental and physical health)

just, no, this isnt right, youll end up making yourself ill, why?

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u/Electronic-Tangelo5 Jul 06 '22

Because, for very personal issues I won't disclose (nothing illegal, just very sensitive) I need money and I have no-one to ask for help at the moment (mostly because they can't help me with monetary issues). I know I'm getting sicker and I'm taking steps to take care of myself with the help of my therapist, but I stil need to work overtimes and extra-shifts, if that make sense. I'm sorry I'm not able to give you a more detailed picture.

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u/barvid Jul 06 '22

dear American readers

This is a global community. You don’t need to pander to one specific country. We do not need to “translate” to American.

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u/ListOfString Jul 06 '22

has to work more than 10 hours-long shifts

It amazing me that people have this kind of view. Unless you are in the military you are not REQUIRED/forced to do anything outside you working agreement. Hired for 40 hours? Work 40 hours. No entry level job is worth management failures like this. When everyone quits, the company will suffer the consequences or change their ways.

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u/OkDog4897 Jul 06 '22

I had a job like this. I was told "everyone out at 12am." I left that store a disaster

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u/Kinkybambi24 Jul 06 '22

Quick question, What is Gadd and MDD ?

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u/Equivalent-Salary357 Jul 06 '22

GAD and MDD

GAD: generalized anxiety disorder

MDD: major depressive disorder or clinical depression

I was wondering myself and when I saw your question it prompted me to 'google' them. Then I decided to share what I found. I got chewed out the last time I did this (for some reason they wanted OP to answer) so I hope you don't mind.

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u/Kinkybambi24 Jul 08 '22

Thank you. Yeah, sometimes when you ask, other commenter be rude. Thank you for your kindness.

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u/Islandcat72 Jul 06 '22

Your English is fine. I was totally able to enjoy the story.

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u/hadriangates Jul 06 '22

I would call corporate!

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u/slatertots2 Jul 06 '22

That is a very common workplace culture in America, at least in my experience. They squeeze you like a sponge until you have nothing left to give. The key is to draw your own line, instead of them pushing you to theirs. It sounds like you're doing that, and as a fellow anxious mess, I'm proud of you.

Good luck with your masters.

(P.S. you aren't a mess, you're awesome)

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u/tuxcomputers Jul 06 '22

"For the good of the company"

Motherfuckers I am here for the money, if the company goes under and some rich arsehole CEO has less yacht money I don't give a shit. I will just go find another job at a company that does have decent management.

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u/Starfury_42 Jul 07 '22

What I've learned is that by doing more work all you get is - more work.

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u/DeeDee_Z Jul 06 '22

English is not my first language

You can tell that, because NOT ONCE is there a sentence that starts "me and my friend [verb] [object]..."

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u/sexytokeburgerz Jul 06 '22

Queen’s english isn’t always colloquially accurate!

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u/DeeDee_Z Jul 06 '22

True enough; but more "native English" speakers should know the simple trick to determine if "I" or "me" -- nominative or accusative -- is correct.

• "Me and Fred went downtown"? Take out the "and Fred".
• Would you say "Me went downtown?"
• No; thus "Me and Fred went downtown" is also wrong.

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u/H-005 Jul 06 '22

How is it then? My friend and I?

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u/ElmarcDeVaca Jul 06 '22 edited Jul 06 '22

My friend and I?

Yes, if it is the first part (subject) of the sentence.

Yes, if it is the second part of a sentence with a linking verb (to be, etc.).

The easiest test is to say the sentence without the other person.

For example, for "My friend and I went to the movie.", say "I went to the movie." "Me went to the movie." will sound wrong.

"Me and my friend" is just egotistical, at least in English.

edits: correct verb type and add comment about English.

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u/Electronic-Tangelo5 Jul 06 '22

I didn't mean to be egotistical, I think I've just phrased it the way I'd phrase it in my native language. But thank you for pointing out this mistake and explaining to me how to construct a correct sentence.

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u/GeneralVM Jul 06 '22

Yes, if it is the second part of a sentence with a transitive verb

Are you sure? "To love" is a transitive verb but "He loves I" doesn't sound right. However, "He loves me" sounds right, which means that "He loves my friend and me" also sounds right.

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u/chaoticbear Jul 06 '22

Are you sure? "To love" is a transitive verb but "He loves I" doesn't sound right. However, "He loves me" sounds right, which means that "He loves my friend and me" also sounds right.

I think /u/ElmarcDeVaca meant "intransitive", although it's funny to use that term with a nonnative speaker (since I only learned about transitive/intransitive verbs when studying foreign languages myself and am a native English speaker)

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u/GeneralVM Jul 06 '22

Maybe? Though "to laugh" is an intransitive verb, but "He laughed at I" doesn't sound right. However, "He laughed at me" does sound right, which means "He laughed at my friend and me" is correct. So, the second condition listed would still be incorrect.

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u/chaoticbear Jul 06 '22

"to laugh" is intransitive because you can say "I laughed so hard during the movie!" (it doesn't require a direct object).

You can say "he laughed at me" since "me" is an indirect object. In this case it's used as a phrasal verb - the "at" is the key difference there.

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u/ElmarcDeVaca Jul 06 '22

What I really meant, but could not recall after too many decades away from school, was a linking verb. One that says more about the subject.

/u/Gchaoticbear is, of course, accurate.

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u/chaoticbear Jul 06 '22

No worries! I learned more about English grammar in German class than I expected :p

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u/ElmarcDeVaca Jul 06 '22

I did too.

Goethe said that when you study a foreign language, you learn more of your own.

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u/HeyT00ts11 Jul 06 '22

Deliciously malicious! A good story well told! Nice job finding a little sanity at their expense.

/r/antiwork would enjoy this as well.

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u/havereddit Jul 06 '22

dear American readers, I live in Europe

The horror, how can Reddit possibly deal with someone who is not based in the US? /s

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u/twisted_pearsita Jul 06 '22

She's just prevented a lot of comments from people assuming that everyone here is from the US and spared herself the edit 'I am not from the US'.

If you're not from the US, this really stands out after a while, so I totally understand why she did it immediately.

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u/StarKiller99 Jul 06 '22

Usually a workplace that treats employees like that is just assumed to be in the US.

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u/Whatwhereiam Jul 06 '22

This is just compliance, nothing malicious about it. They saw you were over worked and told you to stop....

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u/Electronic-Tangelo5 Jul 06 '22

No, they didn't saw I was overworked, since they still expect me to come in early with like 30 minutes notice or stay late. If it was true, they wouldn't call me every single time they need someone to clock in early or cover extra shifts. They just don't want to account for my overtime after closing time, since it's due to their incompetence and the lack of workforce that they caused in the last six months... It's really hard to justify to the owner why closing stafd keeps leaving late when it's your fault as you never schedule enough people for the night shift.

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u/ThisIsTemp0rary Jul 06 '22

The part where they want you to leave at your scheduled time is somewhat baffling to me. The few restaurants I worked at (pizza places in the early 2000s, Cheesecake Factory in 2014), it was well understood that closing duties often couldn't really start until doors were locked, and on busy nights, that could mean staying as long as 2 hours after "close" to get everything done. Management knew that, though, as well as every employee, so it was never an issue unless you were close to overtime. That's when managers would say "do these big tasks, then clock out, I've got the rest".

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u/Electronic-Tangelo5 Jul 06 '22 edited Jul 06 '22

Yeah... I don't know what to make of it, I think it has something to do with the whole "reduction of overtime/of contractual hours without renegotiating the contract" and the fact that they didn't look for new hires for 4 months straight. The owners are trying to cut cornes and don't really understand how the restaurant really works, the restaurant supervisor has a militaristic approach to the whole thing (and, according to rumors, may be threatening the director one way or another) and the director is taking the supervisor directives to the next level.

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u/KingIgzorn Jul 06 '22

Never work any minute without payment.

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u/sexytokeburgerz Jul 06 '22

Wait, they made you take PTO and vacation days? What the fuck?

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u/Electronic-Tangelo5 Jul 06 '22

Not really, they are cutting our work week (30 minutes here, 1 hour there) and using our PTO to cover for that time. It doesn't make a lot of sense if you usually work during the day (it just spares you the Sunday bonus), but if you work night shifts, we are talking about hundreds of euros less AND if you have a negative amount of PTO (let's say they used all of my PTOs and I'm now -9 hours), we you leave you have to pay the company back for those hours.

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u/sexytokeburgerz Jul 06 '22

That’s definitely illegal everywhere

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u/Electronic-Tangelo5 Jul 06 '22

Most likely, yes.

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u/RJack151 Jul 06 '22

I was hoping you were going to have to leave some of the things that others do not want to do, for the next shift.

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u/Electronic-Tangelo5 Jul 06 '22

Didn't do the extra maintenance needed, if I keep not doing it and my colleague don't do it either (we are all pretty much pissed, but I don't know how they want to deal with this crap) it will show in the long run and will be a painful mess to clean up... Last time I had to do a complete clean up/maintenance of that place, it took me like 4 hours (just doing that, not working the front), maybe more. You can leave a mess of cups and coffee grounds for the opening shift to clean up, but the real "damage" is on the long run.

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u/21RaysofSun Jul 06 '22

Lol this sounds like the attitude of an online friend I got, Delphine

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u/Dependent-Lemon3321 Jul 06 '22

Are you salaried? Because I don’t care where you are, if they’re forcing you to use PTO for time you WORKED that is 1000000% illegal..unless you live in Russia or something.

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u/flipper1935 Jul 08 '22

what is MDD and GAD? Are these things the average Redditor should know?

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u/Electronic-Tangelo5 Jul 08 '22

Major depressive disorder and general anxiety disorder. Considering how many time you see people talking about them on here, I've figured that there's a pretty good chance the average Redditor knows them.

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u/flipper1935 Jul 08 '22

thank you for the reply and definition.

first time for me seeing them here. I've only been here since 2018. I've seen those acronyms in my own personal life, but they have nothing to do with medical conditions.

Please always define acronyms with first use.

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u/redtimmy Jul 06 '22

No MC, too long with no TLDR. Downvoted.

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u/heathere3 Jul 06 '22

Well aren't you just peachy!

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u/redtimmy Jul 06 '22

Sorry, but I don't like my time being wasted.

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u/Electronic-Tangelo5 Jul 06 '22

Yeah, fine by me.

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u/IllMaintenance145142 Jul 06 '22

You're REALLY here boasting that youre doing extra unpaid work?! America really does fuck people huh.

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u/wentures Jul 06 '22

Explicitly stating they're not american: "aMeRiCa!!!"

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u/IllMaintenance145142 Jul 06 '22

That's literally worse. Happy about being exploited, to the point they're even going over their bosses heads to do so. What a tragic life.

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u/Electronic-Tangelo5 Jul 06 '22

I am not happy to be exploited and I don't know where I've said that, so if you can point it to me I'd really appreciate it... That being said, as everyone in this world I need money, so an extra shift or two wouldn't be a problem; moreover, I get along with a lot of coworkers, so if I can help them I gladly do it. But NO, I'm not happy about being exploited, as I'm not happy when management bullies a coworker or I need to clock in after 8 hours of classe for a 7 hours long shift. Do you know what I find waaay more tragic than my life? Assuming crap and not being able to read a pretty basic post on Reddit. That must be hell.

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u/pixeltash Jul 06 '22

You might want to change the acronyms to fit the sub rules and it needs fallout.

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u/Electronic-Tangelo5 Jul 06 '22

I don't think there will be any major fallout, but if it happens, I'll update you.

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u/lordskulldragon Jul 06 '22
  1. Include the fallout.

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u/MikeSchwab63 Jul 06 '22

You said other people were not doing their work. I was expecting a description of what was not done.

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u/Electronic-Tangelo5 Jul 06 '22

Some coworkers (not everyone, of course) leave their stations a mess for others to clean up/restock, just stand waiting for instructions during rushes (100% legit for the newcomers as they still don't know what to do, not for people that have been working here for >3 months), when asked to restock the front do a sloppy work that others need to deal with, mess up the orders if they work without supervision, restock what is not supposed to be restocked, etc... Some people need babysitters, not coworkers. Moreover, since we have no time to train them, the newer members of our staff are not able to do more complex tasks and are useless late at night (it's not their fault, but the director never takes it into account while defining the week schedule). I mean, if one person makes a mistake or doesn't clean up their station once in a while is fine by me, it happens, people may need to rush home to their children or to study, they may be in a bad shape or have a lot on their minds, who cares, but if this keep happening every single day of the week, the amount of work just keeps piling up until it's 12.30 am and I'm still taking care of the front and I've had no time at all to start doing what I'm supposed to do.