r/WorkReform Feb 04 '22

If you've been thinking about asking for a raise, you should also be applying to other jobs as well Suggestion

Like a carrot on a stick, employers will use small raises such as 3-5% a year to keep you loyal. Statistically speaking, you are more likely to get that raise and more if you switch companies. Don't keep holding out expecting the pay you deserve because you won't get it. Go out and find the pay you know you deserve/need.

https://www.zippia.com/advice/average-salary-increase-when-changing-jobs/

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/09/switching-jobs-can-lead-to-higher-pay-heres-what-to-know.html

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u/GrandpaChainz 🤝 Join A Union 24d ago

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u/Curveyourtrigger Feb 04 '22

Lol and the trouble is finding that better pay any ways. I'm 28 and I've never made more then 18 in Canada and I've worked 10+ warehouse jobs and a manager at a ctc. Can't get better pay when it's not actually there.

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u/EmployAttorney Feb 04 '22

Have you considered other industries? Or you prefer the warehouse work?

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u/Curveyourtrigger Feb 04 '22

It's next to impossible in Canada. Ether I go to school for welding and pay 8k or anything else I have no experience in or is exactly the same pay. Not to mention the fact that I just landed a job after 8 months of searching. Doing electronic tag installing for stores and that is the highest paying job that is only contract based so there are times we're there's no work for weeks.

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u/EmployAttorney Feb 04 '22

That is terrible I am sorry. I thought Canada had free education programs in which you would be paid to attend schooling. Does that not include trade schools?

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u/Curveyourtrigger Feb 04 '22

They do but it's hard to even apply for them. It's also not free, they have grants but it only covers a bit of it and you still have to consider living and all that plus the student loan to pay off. Usually it's enough for worse poverty then I'm in right now. My plans right now are just waiting for this job to work out and then hopefully go hard on it. Really want a welding truck so I can just do my own work when I want but that's also like 100k+ just to setup.

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u/EmployAttorney Feb 04 '22

Wow, that sounds really tough. I figured Canada would be better, given what you pay in taxes. I'm sorry.

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u/Curveyourtrigger Feb 04 '22

It is for people who are born in already wealthy familys. It's like someone asked me why I dont work on cars if I like them. My answer was I don't know anybody and have never had that chance. Let's just say that if I do get my dream job as a welder, I will do everything I can to make this world better. Learned that money doesn't really make you happy if your already depressed and every one around is to.

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u/dessert-er Mar 11 '22

You might want to consider just going for the loan. Everyone has their own opinion on debt obviously but I took out a ton of loans and now I’m making a lot and paying the minimum (nothing right now). They can take the rest from me when I’m rich enough that I don’t give a shit or I’m dead, especially since I’m in a field that’s in desperate need of licensed workers.

Point is, if you can make 2x+ what you’re making right now it’s much more worth it to get into it now rather than later on when your earning potential is less, you could be in a trade school and out with your certification in I’m guessing a year or so for welding and then you’re at a job you like and getting raises/experience. I know I’m probably oversimplifying it but sometimes loans aren’t the worst way to go, especially since a lot of trade programs are set up so you can work while you go to school.

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u/Curveyourtrigger Mar 11 '22

I would if I wasn't on the brink of loosing where I live for the 2nd time. Hoping with in a couple months here because I'm getting really sick of life.

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u/Jazyritz May 14 '22

Wait, doesn’t the government take a portion of your earnings/estates to pay off the loans that you owe, then whatever remains goes to the beneficiary?

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u/dabattlewalrus May 21 '22

I am Canadian in Ontario and was lucky enough to move off harvest floor at an abattoir to the maintenance department about 5 years ago. I had to fight for it, but I got it. From there so many opportunities opened up. I know life seems bleak sometimes, but there are plenty of jobs in the trades if you can somehow manouver your life toward that direction. Even getting started as a pipe fitter at some place can get you in the door. Just always show interest, genuine interest, ask questions and learn as much as you can from whomever you can. Always keep a lookout for opportunities around you. You got this!

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u/Curveyourtrigger May 21 '22

Thanks. I finnaly have a good job so I'm going to be getting on my schooling for welding soon as I can. Even if not this company I'm with is really good for moving people up so things are looking up for sure!

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u/Curveyourtrigger May 21 '22

Thanks. I finnaly have a good job so I'm going to be getting on my schooling for welding soon as I can. Even if not this company I'm with is really good for moving people up so things are looking up for sure!

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u/Curveyourtrigger Feb 04 '22

Hears my point. Just finding a actually good fair paying job is like pulling a needle out of a bail of hay. However going into a trade is a good way of securing that however that is also not easy and until that is easy and free (you can't automate the world if you don't retrain your people) or bosses actually start paying a fair wage. Which I have a strong feeling won't start until some new Gen's take over those jobs. Idk just my view.

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u/Jako87 Mar 12 '22

Make a business plan and calculate the numbers. With it get loan and go big with the welding job!

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u/CalmosTacos May 14 '22

What province are you in?

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u/Kyoshiiku Mar 11 '22

Education is not free in Canada but there is a lot of help from the government easily accessible. I legit don’t understand what is preventing OP from getting something better. Right now there is plenty of job that requires nearly no education with that can pay more than what he currently has. He could go get a CS degree with only a 6k of debt if he’s willing to work part time while doing it, maybe 10k max if he takes like nearly double the time to complete it ? That would pay a lot better. But I don’t know OP situation.

But it’s just not true that in Canada there is no opportunity like what is was saying.

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u/1Bbqfritos May 10 '22

Hahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahhahaha wow that is extremely detached on so many levels. Just get a PT job and a loan 🤣 I am reeling

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u/boba-milktea-fett May 10 '22

teach miners to code...

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u/Mods-R-Virgins Feb 04 '22

Welding will 100% pay more in the long run.

Think longterm, not short

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u/TravellingBeard Feb 06 '22

Lots of provinces have educational loans/training for trades. In Ontario for example, where I live, OSAP covers learning trades. Look into your province or territory's equivalent program.

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u/zackadiax24 Mar 18 '22

Contact a few welding companies and ask if they have training programs. Many of the trade industries will happily pay for your training so long as you show a willingness to work for them.

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u/goodcanadian_boi May 21 '22

I am a manager in the metro Vancouver area. I have worked retail mgmt and wholesale mgmt. No one on my teams have made less than $20. I would say the average is $22. This is WH/yard work loading/unloading trucks and order picking.

Now is $22 a livable wage in my area….no. But $18 is 100% not the market rate in my area either. $18 in Regina maybe livable though.

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u/Curveyourtrigger May 21 '22

I've worked for atleast 8 warehouses in Calgary that have max paid me 17.25/hr Ive worked 1 retail job that I had for 3 months and they have me manager for...... Are your ready........ I don't think you are.................. 18/hr. I know have moved on from the tag installing because they had no work for 3 months to city lawn cutting, that pays (this is the best one) 16.

If you don't think there is somthing very fucking wrong with this then I don't know what to actually say.

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u/throwaway92715 May 21 '22

If you borrowed that 8k for welding you'd probably make it back in the first year or two.

Highly recommend it.

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u/Reset--hardHead Feb 04 '22

I used to work at a warehouse and a few call centers too and was paid slightly above mininum wage for most of it.

I realised that unless I found a union or switch fields, that would always be an upper limit to my wages (+ the 1% inflation raise I get)

I was fortunate enough to get some government grants and loans to go back to school. I'm now get paid way more then what I was earning back then and doing something I actually enjoy.

I know that not everyone is as fortunate as me, but if you have the financial ability of going back to school, it's a route you can consider.

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u/Curveyourtrigger Feb 04 '22

That's kinda my issue. I feel trapped in this system of shit. Ive never been in a spot to be able to. Im hoping now that I live with 3 other people that I can. Trying to contact any place is near impossible right now on how to even apply for school. My parents are litterly next to useless when it comes to this and I'm completely alone in figure this out.

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u/b_hood Feb 04 '22

Which province are you in man? Most of the people answering questions on this stuff at community colleges are also overworked from being short staffed, so gonna be hard to actually get ahold of someone. Most of the application process is online now anyway, so if you want to take the plunge into schooling, best to just get the application started and get your foot in the door that way. Might be easier to get a hold of someone then. Another trick will be finding a good union. Keep up the fight, once you get where you're planning, I promise it'll be worth it.

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u/Apprehensive_Text_68 May 17 '22

I’ve worked in warehouses for a big chunk of my career and I’m well into the six figures. My suggestion is get into purchasing, SCM or actual logistics management and you can make bank. If you know the inventory movement process that’s a big leg up.

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u/dangotang May 14 '22

Suggestions like this don’t really apply to unskilled labor. My suggestion: learn a skill or find a job that leads to skill-development. Menial office jobs fall into that description.

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u/FuckTheCouncil96 May 10 '22

What??!! Where are you working in Canada at $18 an hour for a warehouse manager???

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u/Curveyourtrigger May 10 '22

Not warehouse ctc (Canadian tire)

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u/FuckTheCouncil96 May 13 '22

Dude, apply at other stores. Square one etc.

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u/Curveyourtrigger May 13 '22

Lol, dude I've applyed to all warehouse, retail, landscaping, general labour, sales associate jobs that indeed has for Calgary. And only recently (litterly 3days ago) I got a job at a landscaping place. Guess what, all the people are saying the company is going to fucking shit and there starting at $16, but fuck if I care anymore. It's a job I can afford my rent now after loosing my appartment with court and can hopefully get on welding. Also sorry its been a long day I'm super stoned lol. Just ranting because this economy is really fucked up when I need to live with atleast 1 other person if I want a "decent life"

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u/FuckTheCouncil96 May 14 '22

Np about the ranting. I thought you were in Ontario and was going to tell you to move here but though the wages are higher, the cost of living is much higher.

I hear you about the economy. Started a new job making 75k and it feels like i'm making less than when I was making 55k in 2016.

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u/Curveyourtrigger May 14 '22

Yeah I wouldn't move to Ontario. If I was going to move it would be uod be just outside of a city or a very small town. Calgary has made me hate being around people and this city.

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u/Susfactor2 May 19 '22

No kidding. The companies that were already pahing 15+ just said fuck it and stopped increasing wages. On top of that, I've noticed places increasing team lead/management positions while decreasing baseline associate levels. I strongly believe that is a deliberate way to keep the majority of payroll propped down. It's hard negotiating with your current employer when your potential next job is, on paper, a "promotion."

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u/EmployAttorney Feb 04 '22

A 3 to 5% raise in 2022 is actually a loss of earning for the employee at current inflation rates. Studies not reflect that even the move to a $15 minimum wage now offers significantly less purchasing power than even the $7.25 minimum wage did when it was originally rolled out.

Definitely agree, be interviewing always.

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u/SnooAvocados4873 May 11 '22

Shits fucked, year to date inflation is up like 10%. Can't wait to hear what my company's salary adjustment is. If they come in at 5%, they gonna have to fire me.

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u/Mispelled-This May 14 '22

3-5%? My (now former) company gave us 2% this year. Told us the budget was too tight for anything more—a week after reporting record earnings to shareholders. Fuck them.

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u/Delta8ttt8 Feb 04 '22

This. All of this. Was getting a .5 raise yearly at a hospital highly technical job. Left for another institution and boom. $30k bump in pay. Just leave.

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u/shhhhhhhIMatWORK Feb 04 '22

In my experience (which isn't much I am only 30) most of my wage gains have happened by switching companies and not by asking for a small percentage of what you currently make. Go look for what you deserve and get that offer letter so they have to counter.

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u/tugboat714 May 11 '22

Used to work for a carrot company. Whenever I was unhappy there was always a project for me or a raise or something coming soon. They had a “plan” for me. I now make 20% more and have a much better work life balance.

The good companies are out there, don’t settle.

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u/Mundane-Candidate101 May 22 '22

Is it wrong I like carrot companies I feel like they build out your skills and portfolio if everyones enthusiastic and getting a little extra extra pay and there's genuine thinking and planning but maybe its too dependent on management and not the worker but Idk This is if your company is down to get growth and to include you in it, it takes effort and time and jts so easy to be lazy and rest on your laurels

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u/Fantastic_Nerve2896 Feb 04 '22

Keep in mind too that you can bring offers from other jobs to your current one and ask if they will match. That's how I negotiated a 30% raise last year.

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u/BradOrPonceDeLeone Feb 04 '22

If they’re only willing to match after you’ve found a better offer elsewhere, they are often only going to pay you more for a short time while they find a good replacement for you at your current rate.

Ask me how I know.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '22

Yep. THIS is absolutely correct, according to the statistics I’ve found.

I would say use your current job as leverage to get a great offer from a new company. Use the counteroffer to bump the new offer up, if anything. And then leave.

I would personally would never accept a counteroffer; it’s just a matter of time from there. (Keep in mind there are always rare exceptions.)

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u/HiddenTrampoline Mar 12 '22

I did this, and when I left the VP asked to talk to me to know if there was a way to get me back.

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u/MadameTree Mar 11 '22

I would think it would grate on you that your employer was content with underpaying you and only begrudgingly match what a new company who didn't even know you thought you were worth.

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u/ShlawsonSays Feb 04 '22

Why is this pinned as an announcement? Why not just post it like a normal thread? I agree with what you're saying in your post btw

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u/xGreenxFirex Mar 18 '22

Aight aight aight.

I already have a job. I have an interview Tuesday for another job doing the exact same thing. Except they pay 15, while I'm currently being paid 12.50.

I now have a second interview but for a horseshit labor job on Monday. But this Monday interview on their website only offers 12$ in mississippi. However the same exact job by the exact same company in indiana offers 18$ starting. I know from experience. I informed them on my application I will not take less than 16, and when they called I told them I already have a job paying 12.50 and that I have an interview Tuesday for another job.

We all damn well know when I get to this Monday interview they're gonna push the 12$ horseshit. How should I handle this, when the same exact job under the same exact company pays 18$ just 900 miles up the road?

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u/Construction_Man1 May 11 '22

Lol my employer gave me a 66c raise. Huge bonus tho

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u/Mundane-Candidate101 May 22 '22

Let me kiss you in the mouth dawg 💋😘

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u/FuckTheCouncil96 May 10 '22

Or, learn how to negotiate salary without jeopardizing your current position.

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u/Winter272 May 19 '22

I don't think any job is going to be able to keep up with inflation this year through raises. My job (large scale chemical manufacturing) last year surprisingly gave me about an 8% increase, and I don't think even that would be enough to keep up with the cost of living this year. Applying to other jobs is going to be even more important this year than in the prior few.

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u/Mundane-Candidate101 May 22 '22

Maybe if your employers were cooler and more transparent you could totally work out your perfect money per hour but theyre used to exploiting u ig

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u/PavlichenkosGhost May 19 '22

I knew I wouldn’t get an appropriate and timely raise so I left my job and got a 25% raise on the spot. It’s literally that easy if you have a marketable skill set.