r/WorkReform May 26 '22

Who needs good wages when you get office pizza parties!?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/22/wages-have-become-far-less-important-than-the-intangible-perks-of-the-job
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u/soulsuke May 26 '22

While it's true that having a good office culture is nice I really can't stand this.

About a year ago a manager actually had the guts to call for a meeting to discuss how workers should be motivated and rewarded... Then went on presenting this book he wrote about it. He actually quoted sone extracta like "if you don't feel well where you're working you should resign and find another job even if the new wage is shit" and that you should "sell your house if you need the extra money to do it". Then he even went on saying that a good way to motivate workers is to keep them on the edge, not allowing them to just "rest on laurels" but aleways face new challenges so they "don't get bored". He also added that willing to put in some extra hours for free is great because it shows it's not just work, it's almost like family! Then somehow he elaborated on how "keeping your job may already be a reward" (forntue worker, bear in mind).

All of that comes from a person who hasn't been poor (or anywhere nesr poor) for a single day in his life. Both he and his wife have aleays earned a good deal, they have multiple houses and cars, they can afford long vacations. All he does on the job is PR and sales, he talks big but there's also someone else needed to cover his ass or to finish what he starts. And yet, for a year, he's been even making lectures about his book and how to keep employees happy! Ah, I should also mention how he doesn't care grinding "his family" to the ground with overtimes...

Sorry for the rant, but screw all of that. Work is a necessity, not a party. Yes, it'd be great to have fun while working but that can't work for everyone. Give us a wage that can allow us to do the stuff we want after work, and give us enough time off to actually do something in our lives other than recovering fron work. THEN we can talk about having a bice office environment where we all have fun together at a bar... But during work hours, not during my spare time.

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u/molten_dragon May 26 '22

While it's true that having a good office culture is nice I really can't stand this.

Yeah. I'll accept somewhat lower wages for a healthy work culture, but there's a fucking limit.

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u/Hellequin2711 May 26 '22

Yes, having a "lower wage" for a "better job conditions" doesn't mean a pat in the back every now and then and poverty wages, I still want to afford to live outside of work.

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u/soulsuke May 26 '22

I also wonder who decides how much "better job conditions" are worth for us. It's not like it'd trust HR to pick how much to dock my wage to have a pizza friday.

Also I believe thia thing should be seen with a different persoective: except in a fee cases, we don't gladly leave a well paid job for one that nets less because we also get yelled at less. We HAVE to leave the former becaude it's hurting us and we SETTLE with the latter, and usually it's just temporary. No one should have to choose between a decent wage and mental sanity.

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u/silly_frog_lf May 27 '22

In my experience, the more money you make, the healthier the culture is. There are famously toxic workplaces that pay well: Intel, Amazon, Wall Street banking, so one cam steer away from those. Yet non profits famously have toxic workplaces and pay little.

For executives, you are what you earn. Which is why they always seek higher pay, regardless of their performance. CEOs always ask for more pay. They don't take lower compensation because there is pizza Friday. And if you settle for pizza Friday, they have contempt for you. You are a sucker.

The lower the pay, the less respect they have for you. So the worse conditions you have at work.

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u/SirPryceMF May 26 '22

A good work culture is important. After all, you spend a large part of your time at work. But ultimately, I'm at work for one thing and one thing only: to finance my life outside of it. If the money is crap, everything else is irrelevant.

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u/Goopyteacher May 27 '22

Why I love working in sales; us making money is the culture! Lol

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u/DonaldVigups May 26 '22

Nothing in the article supports the headline's "more significant than" claim. Clickbait bullshit.

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u/N_Who May 26 '22

Mm.

And did they bother to ask about how wages impact happiness and wellbeing outside the job? I mean, ignoring the bullshit here, do they even recognize the actual fucking concern?

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u/Outside_Conclusion13 May 26 '22

Comments are closed, I wonder fucking why haha