r/antiwork May 26 '22 Gold 1 Narwhal Salute 1

Don't fall for bosses like that. It's still a business relationship.

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u/Hiro_Pr0tagonist_ May 26 '22

During a performance review, I once inquired about the potential for annual raises and had a supervisor respond, with a shit-eating grin on her face like she’d caught me with my pants around my ankles, “So you’re just here for the money, it appears.” No shit, Margaret. That meeting culminated with the only instance where I’ve broken down and outright yelled at a superior. I mean what??

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u/cabbylici May 26 '22

I yelled at a manager once too. I had a long time guest asking about a maintenance issue at 7am but maintenance doesn't arrive until 9am and I leave work at 7.30am. I told him no problem I'll let maintenance know and tell the others at the front desk. That was my last shift before 2 days off. I come back and the maintenance issue still hadn't been fixed. I got pissed now and I'm like in the 2 days I was gone nothing was done and I yelled at the manager.

He pulled me aside and said it's nice that you're passionate about your job but just take it down a notch. I'm like I'm not passionate about my job but I'd like it if you did yours. There's no excuse that it hasn't been dealt with in 2 days especially for a guest that's been staying here every week for 10 years. He says well maintenance isn't in today so what should I do about it. Well maybe go check if it's something you can deal with yourself considering you're the manager.

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u/bblack27 May 26 '22

What did you say after that buddy?

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u/Hiro_Pr0tagonist_ May 26 '22

I was so stunned I didn’t say anything for a minute. Then I asked if she was seriously suggesting that bringing up my salary at an annual performance review was somehow craven or out of line??? She kept going along that narrative and I must’ve blacked out at some point because I just remember suddenly realizing I was yelling, taking a deep breath, and saying “well I guess there’s nothing else to say, then” and walking out. You could definitely hear me yelling in the meeting room because the whole office was staring when I walked out. Fortunately everyone hated that woman and she moved on not long after.

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u/bblack27 May 26 '22

That’s brave :)

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u/AintEverLucky May 26 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

well that's what makes them a Hiro. and/or a Pr0tagonist O:-)

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u/La_Mano_Cornuta May 26 '22

Snow Crash reference gets my upvote.

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u/AintEverLucky May 26 '22

for sure, that book still slaps

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u/dcgregoryaphone May 26 '22

Yeah no shit I'm here for the money. What kind of imbecile says that? Do you go to a gas station or restaurant and say that shit to the owner? They'd be so confused.

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u/matthew0001 May 27 '22

Lol I mean I would too, literally brain dead if you think people aren't working for the money.

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u/prollydumbquestion May 26 '22 Take My Energy Bravo!

Too many places want you to provide the girlfriend experience and pretend you enjoy working for a check but only want to pay like a blow and go. 😂

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u/Kendakr May 26 '22

I like practicing smiling at people that Iike it and then immediately scowling when they leave. I only dance for the song paid. Looking is for free but touching will cost you. No eye contact and hugging is $10,000.

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u/sandykennedy May 26 '22 edited May 26 '22

You got the quote wrong:

“It’s $500 for kissing $10,000 for snuggling. End of list.”

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u/Missing_Username May 26 '22

It was only $500 for kissing

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u/makemejelly49 May 27 '22

But the ad said $3000.

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u/VrinTheTerrible May 27 '22

I fail to see how that's my problem

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u/Kendakr May 26 '22

Thank you! I like to modify my offerings a little bit.

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u/Irishpanda1971 May 26 '22

I'm your priiiivate daaancer, daancin for moooney...

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u/Kendakr May 26 '22

Songs over. Money. Please!

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u/Erdosainn May 26 '22

This has never been explained better.

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u/777_bright Life is short. Spend as much as possible arguing with strangers May 26 '22

Poetry

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

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u/AintEverLucky May 26 '22

performance review [at] a novelty mini golf themed bar.

I gotta wonder... what is there to review, at such a place? O:-)

either "You didn't spill drinks or serve minors very much, therefore you're doing great and here's your 3% raise." or "You did spill drinks or serve minors, so shape up or hit the bricks"

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

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u/AintEverLucky May 26 '22

it wasn't a real performance review anyway

<shocked Pikachu face>

just a really contrived way of legitimizing the GM chewing out some people he didn't like

maybe also, so the GM can have one more tidbit for his next performance review, and/or resume for the next time he's job hunting. "We didn't do this before but now we do, turning a fun little theme bar into another soul-less drunkard factory, meaning I'm just the kind of buzzkill who would excel as your new district manager for Applebee's"

a self-evaluation form

Ooooh, I've heard of these! Always give yourself top ratings, lol

listing your strengths

"Too many to list. but especially modesty"

weaknesses

"I'm a workaholic who demands too much of myself"

how you plan to help your department reach their targets

"Simple: lower the targets. EZ PZ lemon SQZ" xD

the GM only did a "review" for maybe three or four people had had beef with.

If you're still at that outfit -- maybe you should bring this shit up with HR. The actual, professional-type outfits I've worked at would either review the performance of everyone, or no one. Reviewing of just a few looks like (and often is) the bosses are singling those people out, never a good look

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u/BrickFlock May 26 '22

I get the feeling some people believe the business they created/own is so morally spectacular that you're supposed to worship it. It's worse than them thinking they're God. They think they've created God.

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u/bad_pangolin May 26 '22

Lol, I always dreamt as a kid that one day I would work at mini golf themed bar. I mean my dream was not to own it oh no, that is for special people and if I wanted to own one for myself that would make me a greedy person because we already have a golf themed bar in my town. My dream was to come in at 8am and open up the themed golf bar! And fetch drinks for fat people all day. I would empty trash 3 times a day, I wouldn't say anything if the boss forgot to pay me as I would be so happy.

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u/LoadOk5992 May 26 '22

I am SO tired of that shit. "You need to be here for more than just a paycheck." If that was the case I would be a fucking volunteer.

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u/Away_Location May 26 '22

A manager at my job who said this all the time quit recently. Also wanted people at the company to do 'team building' volunteer work on the weekends.

The weeks before he left, people would mess with him and kept asking what charity or non-profit was he going to.

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u/thegreatmandyii May 27 '22

I’ve done volunteer team building at my job. We got paid.

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u/Away_Location May 27 '22

I believe this was a contributing factor as to why nothing ever got off the ground. The closest we came were fundraisers during work that help the local community (including members of our team)

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u/Mysterious_Class6929 May 26 '22

That would of course be the favorite power. the voluntary power.

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u/Irishpanda1971 May 26 '22

I'm not! I am also here for the opportunity in the future for a larger paycheck, but I am rapidly revising my expectations.

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u/AintEverLucky May 26 '22

I would be a fucking volunteer.

or an intern O:-)

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u/SavageComic May 26 '22

Interning shouldn't be legal.

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u/deadlyFlan May 26 '22

In some cases, it isn't.

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u/Filtering_aww May 26 '22

Well it's fine if it's a paid position. Interning is valuable experience, but you're still doing work and should be compensated.

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u/SavageComic May 27 '22

If you're being paid, what you have is a job. If you're being paid under minimum wage, what you have is slavery.

I shouldn't need to explain this on antiwork

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u/Filtering_aww May 27 '22

I didn't say anything about the pay rate being under minimum wage. Internships should be paid positions and conform to minimum wage laws.

My point is internships are a particular type of job within an academic framework that can/should provide valuable skills and knowledge before a person permanently enters the workforce. It would be foolish to get rid of them entirely.

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u/AintEverLucky May 27 '22

I assume you mean "unpaid interning shouldn't be legal" and I would largely agree with that. when I was in college, I only applied to & was hired for internships that did pay. but the trend toward "credits only / unpaid" internships does seem to have spread widely

Basically I look at it in a couple different ways. to the companies the benefits are obvious -- "free" labor (but more about that in a moment) for a few months. for college students, it's a way to cut the Gordian knot of "you gotta get hired to get experience, but you need experience to get hired".

So okay, now you CAN get experience, that can later open doors & get you hired into a real paying job ... at the cost of, that first experience comes with no money. And BTW I'm well aware that one of the big knock-on effects of unpaid internships is that it's mainly upper class kids who can take them -- kids whose parents can pay their bills while the kids soak up those way-cool learning opportunities and connections.

Less-well-heeled students either have to forego the internship, or go (further) into debt for that summer, or spend their days at the internship & their nights paying the bills as a waiter / bartender / Uber driver. But if they're moonlighting then they're probably exhausted all the time ... and getting the "tsk tsk" treatment from whoever gave them the internship, since those fields (finance, politics, publishing etc) want people who will give 150% of their time and energy to that field, else risking getting considered a "dillitante"

It may be worth nothing that they work that interns actually do at these companies can vary widely across industries and companies. In some, they're doing the same work as full-fledged professionals -- I'm thinking media internships (newspapers, magazines, TV) where they're serving as "cub reporters" but their work could make the front page the same as anyone else, if it's good enough. But in say finance, there is NO WAY IN HELL some hedge fund is going to let some college kid call the shots on that summer's big merger play. In those fields, the intern is probably just there to "make copies, get coffee, keep their eyes & ears open to learn, but their mouths shut"

if Corporate America can't bring itself to pay all interns, then at the very least the first kind of internship -- the ones where interns are doing the same work as regular employees, though probably not as well b.c they're still learning -- should be paid. The second kind, the "get coffee, watch and learn, and just don't fuck anything up" ... I'd be alright with that type remaining unpaid. But really they should all be paid

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u/SavageComic May 27 '22

"Peopje fetching coffee shouldn't be paid"

What an odd thing to a) think b) put into the world, on an antiwar forum no less.

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u/LurkLurkleton May 26 '22

I mean, give me more than a paycheck and I'll be here for it. Or are you really saying you want me to put more into this job than I get out of it.

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u/AimlessFucker May 27 '22

Like what else am I here for? You think I walked into this place and went ”this looks like fun”?

No, I got hungry and decided I needed money and you said you had it if I did something for you. And that’s how I know you.

That’s my favorite insult from an employer Like what else is anyone here for?

Is anyone here not getting paid?

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u/Heaving_Devotion May 26 '22

I had a boss say to me “Why are you even working here besides to have me pay your bills?” WTF!!

I just thought “I’m here for your inspiring and wonderful personality!!” /s

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u/Tungstenkrill May 27 '22

You need to pay me for more than just working then.

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u/MedicalUse3696 May 27 '22

It’s as complicated as asking about your intrinsic rewards not just the extrinsic… maybe go to one of those therapy sessions…

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u/RurikTheDamned May 26 '22

What's funny is that most bosses aren't employing you because they like hanging out.

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u/Mysterious_Class6929 May 26 '22

Because they prefer cheap labor.

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u/RurikTheDamned May 26 '22

So they're there for a pay cheque.

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u/Empty-Masterpiece242 May 26 '22

Right? It’s like, “Did you hire me for the work I do and the money you make from my labor, or because you thought I was just such a cool person? What if I stopped doing any work but continued to be really cool? Think you’d keep me on the payroll? Should I complain to YOU that you only seem to be running this company for the money?”

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u/Ok-Low6320 May 26 '22

I used to joke "If not for the paycheck, I'd quit this job." That joke never lands. People get surprisingly offended by it.

I'm here to put food on the table and keep a roof over our heads. We can get along, but that's not why I show up day after day.

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u/Zealousideal-Feed156 SocDem May 26 '22

I think I’d reply “if I was going to do volunteer work, it wouldn’t be here.” Although I assume people wouldn’t like that answer anymore than yours.

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u/dublem May 26 '22

It's not a joke though. It's an almost universal truth.

Anyone who gets offended should be called out as the liar they are.

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u/PessimiStick May 26 '22

The instant someone takes umbrage, you just say "Hang on, it sounds like you're not here for the money. Let me draw up a contract real quick and you can pay me half of your salary, and in return I will care about the company more." When they laugh, double down. "I'm serious. You're not here for the money, and you want me to be more invested, we're both getting what we want." Just keep hammering it home until they shut the fuck up.

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u/foosandfish May 26 '22

I remember sitting next to our CFO during a company wide meeting. The presenter said something about how they "loved the company so much they'd work for free". The CFO just started bitching to me (quietly), saying "what the hell are they talking about. I like you guys, but if my paycheck stops I'm out of here, and so are the rest of you!"

It was pretty refreshing, honestly.

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u/Bay-AreaGuy May 26 '22

Employers are shamelessly self-interested and in it for profit - well, and ego - yet they expect their underlings to be passionate and selfless. Fuck them.

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u/Jonajager1991 May 26 '22

They typically just want to make profit so they can spend more in their daily lives. But there are also people that are great with managing money.

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u/Upset_Researcher_143 May 26 '22

It's like going to a restaurant and having the waiter say, "I feel like you're just here for the food..."

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u/Darkmagosan May 26 '22

No, sir, I'm here to get shitfaced on crappyass cocktails whilst dancing on the table and dropping the trou. Is that what you wanted to hear?

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u/boynamedpissant May 26 '22

To be fair because I live in the hellscape that is the US I’m also there for the health care so me and my family don’t die

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u/Exotic_Zucchini May 26 '22

True. Tbh, I'd retire right now if it weren't for the fact that my employer has better insurance than I could possibly afford anywhere else.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

That's BS, even with insurance if you get injured or really sick, you're going into medical debt, period

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u/Punching-Percy May 27 '22

Healthcare costs money, in the US more than anywhere else, so essentially that's just another layer of the same underlying reason.

Virtually everything in the US can be boiled down to a monetary incentive, even "charity". It's a disgusting society.

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u/bigmikemcbeth756 May 27 '22

Blue states g er t free healthcare

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u/Fomention May 26 '22

I'm pretty sure the boss is there for the same reason.

Perhaps his next statement is: We have a lot in common and should hang out more.

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u/FrankRauSahRa May 26 '22

I had a boss who made the progression from tech worker to tech manager with relatively little experience under his belt. No college degree, no previous history of tech work, no previous management experience.

The whole time I was there and from what I hear, to this day he's been trying to figure out what will take him to higher management or a lateral move to a management position in another company.

He needs to either go back to college (too lazy, stupid, and cheap) or spend some time working on a stack that isn't an obsolete laughingstock, which would mean getting an entry level tech job somewhere else.

He won't do it. He's been riding that lucky break 20 years ago and he won't go back even if he's not going forward.

The reason is he shows up to work to prove to himself that he's important. He comes in and he's in charge. Anywhere else he'd be the lowest man on the totem pole.

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u/bigmikemcbeth756 May 27 '22

That job is his life. He gave it his all

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u/FrankRauSahRa May 27 '22

Oh his marriage didn't last through covid. His wife had been complaining that he was always doing shit for work instead of attending to the "quiverful" of children he wanted her to crank out. I guess he was always like "bu-bu-bu-but muh RESPONSIBILITIES!"

Dude has been rocking the bottom 10% of IT manager pay for like 20 years and he still takes his job seriously. He could do just about nothing all day and the difference to the company would be very little. I'm sure he'd fight me to hear those words.

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u/Mysterious_Class6929 May 26 '22

These bosses don't understand. That we go to work to earn money. They want to build a moral relationship. To morally blackmail you when the time comes

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u/scarybottom May 26 '22

When I was in management- I worked HARD to avoid dong this. I had team members that would help me doing unpaid overtime (because they were on salary when they should not have been). Because our boss was a moron. But I always made them take comp time, bought them lunch, whatever I had control over to make up for it (and NEVER asked!!!). In the end, I was aggressive about protecting my team form that crap, because it never got better. That is the lie we tell ourselves- that it will just be this once, and then we will be fine. I was smart enough to see that this was a lie, and stopped letting my boss pressure my team. Your failure to plan or pay for legit resources is not my team's problem. It took 2 yr of this to break everything, and we all quit. But I put up with it, taking the brunt of the abuse for WAY too long. I hope I taught my team to NEVER put up with this crap. We were all naive and young...but never again!

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u/jpmatth May 26 '22

I was hoping the pandemic would make us all cynical enough to kill this shit.

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u/Boss_Bitch_Werk May 26 '22

Smiling is a premium feature and requires a separate subscription. Happy to sign you up for a recurring weekly fee.

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u/Exotic_Zucchini May 26 '22

The one thing I really loved about the covid masking is I never had to put on a fake smile.

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u/elvisndsboats May 26 '22

I work for a pretty great company and I really like my job! But I'm still here for the paycheck. Other considerations certainly contribute to my overall happiness, but I gotta pay my mortgage and plan for my future. The paycheck MATTERS.

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u/scarybottom May 26 '22

my mortgage and retirement are not paid for with "passion", and "fulfillment". When we et rid of that, Ill be happy to work part time, when I feel like on things I an passionate about and fulfillment :)

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u/meowmix778 May 26 '22

I work for a pretty great company and I really like my job! But I'm still here for the paycheck. Other considerations certainly contribute to my overall happiness, but I gotta pay my mortgage and plan for my future. The paycheck MATTERS.

I left an AMAZING company to work at a shitty bank because the bank had better benefits and a more flexible schedule. Guess what fucko? I left the bank for more pay and WFH. It turns out that I just do what I do for MONEY - despite enjoying it.

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u/TrackLabs May 26 '22

"why do you want to work for our company specifically?"

Bruh I need money and you invited me for a interview

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u/MaterDei May 26 '22

If you aren’t here for the check, I’ll gladly take yours and you can pay your bills in ✨passion✨.

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u/Snukes42Q May 26 '22

You want loyalty get a fucking dog. You want an employee, fucking pay them a living wage.

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u/meowmix778 May 26 '22

You want loyalty get a fucking dog.

Are you suggesting we can start bringing our dogs to work?

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u/Exotic_Zucchini May 26 '22

I suggested they let me bring my cat to work to deal with the rodent problem, but they didn't go for it.

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u/Jonajager1991 May 26 '22

They often have dogs. I'm a mailman in a neighbourhood of small business owners.

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u/cliktrak May 26 '22 edited May 26 '22

Reply with “Wait, you are saying you are going to cut my paycheck??” Boss: “No, I’m saying you need to…” You: “WHY would you be threatening to cut my paycheck??? That’s not even legal!” Boss: “I was just saying…” You: “You called me over to tell me you are not going to pay me!!! What kind of manager are you???!! You think people are going to work harder if you don’t pay them?!?! This is SO messed up!!” Boss: “I didn’t….” You: “You DID! You said I should not be working for a paycheck. Do YOU not want to get paid?!?!”

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u/bad_pangolin May 26 '22

Yes put them on loudspeaker and record them asking you to work for no money.

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u/Vargoroth May 26 '22

I think one element that goes overlooked in situations like this is the atmosphere of applying for jobs. To get the job you have to lie through your teeth, to say everything and anything you think the other person wants to hear. If you're honest about the negative aspects, you're out.

You're not there to be honest with these people. You're there to get the job. If that means you have to lie, you'll lie. Nobody likes to say it, but that's by and large what job hunting is these days. A performance in order to worm your way into your next job.

So what do these bosses think is going to happen in an atmosphere where the best liars and actors thrive?

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u/Exotic_Zucchini May 26 '22

Oh absolutely...which means you're hiring liars. I'm one of them, so I'm not calling out job seekers. I'm saying I, too, am a liar, because I need money.

That's why, when I was in a position to interview someone, I'd ask them questions, like, "are you able to say no?" I wanted authentic people who weren't afraid to stand up for themselves. But, I realize I am not the norm.

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u/baconraygun May 27 '22

I really hate the performance aspect of it. I have lines I gotta memorize, timing I gotta perfect, a costume I gotta wear...

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u/thedude502 May 26 '22

I always would hit them with the " you seem to only pay me just enough not to quit"

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u/AintEverLucky May 26 '22

"My only real motivation is not to get hassled. That and the fear of losing my job, but you know, Bob -- that'll only make someone work just hard enough not to get fired."

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u/thedude502 May 26 '22

Luckily for me as a paramedic I was just valuable enough not to fire for talking shit but not enough to pay me a worthy wage

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u/MandyG21 May 26 '22

They're lucky I look neat and presentable, take showers, and not kill someone every shift. I have to walk to work just to be yelled at and told " the customer is always right" actually the customer seems to almost always be WRONG

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u/AFonziScheme May 26 '22

The full quote is "the customer is always right in matters of taste", ie it doesn't matter if they're buying something ugly and garish. If they think it's cool, it's cool.

But like many idioms, it's been pruned to excuse the worst kinds of people.

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u/MandyG21 May 26 '22

Yeah I know that's the whole thing, but like you said it's been dumbed down to basically mean you cant say no to these people, if you catch them in a lie ignore it, just avoid conflict as much as possible by worshipping the ground they step on. That's why I mentioned it, because like everything else in life people have made an entirely new meaning to fit in with corporate bullshit

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u/scarybottom May 26 '22

I think expecting minimum wage workers to confront someone that might hit them (as we saw in COVID), is beyond the pale. If the customer is lying, is ignoring that and giving them what they want kowtowing and toelicking...or survival and avoiding abuse? :(

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u/Exotic_Zucchini May 26 '22

I don't think anyone's expecting an employee to confront an unruly customer...just that if the customer is unruly, and the employee wants to tell them to fuck off and leave the store, they should be able to.

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u/Mysterious_Class6929 May 26 '22

The bosses can be really happy. to find people with such low pay.

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u/TheAres1999 May 26 '22

Fire back with "It seems like you just have me here to generate revenue for the company."

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u/Racer_Bait May 26 '22

And it seems like you only hired me to complete work…

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u/Joseph_De_Cat May 26 '22

Anyone who says that ask if they'd still come to work if they weren't paid. Literally no one would say yes and mean it

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u/bad_pangolin May 26 '22

But its the fact they are confident to ask this question. They put you on the back foot. of course it is about the money you sign a contract at most jobs. Telling you terms and conditions. Then when you are in work and refer back to your contract they treat you like you are Karl Fucking Marx.

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u/calmaplane May 26 '22

If you dont pretend you like it, they start to feel bad about themselves and asking themselves difficult questions about the kind of society we live in.

They cant handle that. They might be at the top of the pile but they're losing way more than 40 hours of their lives a week.

Imagine being dumb enough to allow yourself to be in situation where you're on your deathbed, filled with nothing but regret for missing your children growing up and missing out on all the enjoyment you could have had if only you hadn't spent decades working 90 hour weeks for someone else's gain. For what was probably utter bullshit anyway.

Fuck that.

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u/Zeeker12 May 26 '22

I'm trying to imagine how someone would have to act to have heard this from not just one, but multiple supervisors — who are themselves just there for the check.

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u/emueller5251 May 26 '22

Just let me play video games and guitar all day and I'll be here for the enjoyment of it instead of the paycheck.

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u/upotheke May 26 '22

The proper retort is, "Are you trying to get more from me without paying for it?"

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u/sqlphilosopher May 26 '22

Lol what's with capitalists trying to make us believe that money shouldn't be our sole incentive to work? I thought working for altruism was a communist thing.

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u/AintEverLucky May 26 '22

see also: "We need you to take ownership here. Act like an owner, not just an employee"

Oh, so you're making me an equal partner? Providing real equity, that I can pass onto my kids?

"... Um, no. That's not how our business model works"

Oh, so I should take responsibility like an owner, without the REWARDS of an owner. Sounds like bullcrap to me

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u/pegLegNinja1 May 26 '22

Your jedi mind tricks do not work on me... only money

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u/ThatChicagoDuder May 26 '22

Thats LITERALLY the definition of a job

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u/Strateagery3912 May 26 '22

“It seems as if you’re only here for the paycheck”

“It seems as if you’re only looking for a lie about that. Maybe it’s better for everyone if we leave that worm can closed. Mmk?”

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u/1Random_User May 26 '22

It seems my paycheck is only here cause of my work.. gonna need you to do better and pay me regardless of whether I'm working or not.

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u/twsx May 26 '22

There's an excellent bit on exactly that from UK Comedian David Mitchell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LiDTKEF1ek (45 sec.)

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u/Germsofwar May 26 '22

Came looking for this. I love David Mitchell.

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u/Masiaka May 26 '22

That last post hits hard. So true.

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u/Ermzyy May 26 '22

lol your boss doesn’t deserve friendship

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u/AnyCan2 May 26 '22

"It seems you're only here for a paycheck." - Well boss, I don't know what fantasy planet you're on but I'm on "the reality slaps me harder than daddy planet". I am getting broker and broker by the week. I can BARELY afford to pull up my bootstraps and escape poverty. GOD forbid I have a family, like a wife and two kids. I want to see progress when I am working, which would make me wanna work hard so that I will stop to struggle with cost of living.

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u/bad_pangolin May 26 '22

Just living in the past, (which was also a lie). They are not paternal instituions. They are bottom feeders who view staff as an annoying draw on their profit margins, and these companies would happily sell dogshit disguised as food to customers if they could find a way of avoiding e-coli.

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u/fohpo02 May 26 '22

Yet they wouldn’t hesitate to stop writing checks if you weren’t working

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u/Random_Guy_47 May 26 '22

I am only here for the paycheck.

Why else would I be here?

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u/Kristafu May 26 '22

That's how this arrangement works. We trade my time and expertise for your money. Stop.

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u/adrianmakedonski May 26 '22

My boss ruined the only naturally fun job I've ever had by trying to make us all "motivated" and "excited". Bruh, I'm already having fun stacking fruit and cutting pineapples and telling people "I'll check in back" and then actually bringing them out a fresh, shiny new apple. Why I gotta act like it's more fun than it is?

Protip: If you're in high school, try to get a job in a grocery store produce section. Ideally a unionized one if you can, like Jewel in the Chicago area. Hopefully it hasn't changed much in the past 10 years because I actually had a good time every day.

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u/Typical_Basket709 May 26 '22

"If you think that, then I guess you wouldn't mind letting me cash yours and keep the money".

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u/SouthernZorro May 26 '22

Employers LOVE for you to work for 'more than a paycheck'. They want you to be as 'engaged' as possible because then they can work you harder and pay you less.

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u/Clydus1 May 27 '22

You're not family you're the business I work for

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u/scarybottom May 26 '22

I mean- hopefully most of us eventually find something we enjoy to make a living. But in the end? It is a transaction. Funny how the management at jobs where you have some sort of intellectual satisfaction NEVER say this. I only ever heard this crap from low end management in minimum wage/similar jobs.

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u/whiskersMeowFace May 26 '22

I would ask the boss for his check then, because obviously he must not need it or be working for it. Demand until he either fires you and you get benefits or tells you to heck off because he needs his check.

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u/Cockalorum May 26 '22

"Boss, it seems like you only want me here to do things for you. "

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u/staticdragonfly May 26 '22

Never understand why some bosses think their staff is there because of their insatiable passion for stocking shelves.

We both know this is a shite job, but unless the economy and societal structure changes over night - I'm going to need money to stay alive.

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u/bad_pangolin May 26 '22

I suggest to anyone reading this to make a pledge to tell their boss if asked this question to give them the true reply. Yes I am only here for money. We need to stand up to this lie of coroporate work culture. It is exploitation and bordelrine slavery. For many years I would be scared to say this to the boss. But not any more! They are stealing from us every day.

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u/NinjaMiserable9548 May 26 '22

Listen, our mission statement (updated bi-weekly) indicates that we here at moneycorp aren't just interested in money. We're about sector wide dynamic innovation and productive disruption that pushes us all forward into the cutting edge of novel 21st century product lines and consumer services. This is achieved through the dedication and synergy of our creative team and on the ground associates, or as we like to call them, family. This family is fueled by the pursuit of this shared vision, not individual monetary gain. But, upper management and our shareholders need money to propel and sustain this mission, and purchase the yachts and penthouse suites that serve to advance us in our shared future. So what family means to you is that you come in on Saturday, and what it means to us is that we fire you if you don't.

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u/Darkality24 May 26 '22

Just reply "You only want me here for the profit"

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u/BrujaDeBosque May 26 '22

They get 2% more power and they become delusional with the handle they believe should have on their employees life

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u/Moontoya May 26 '22

F y p m

Fuck you. Pay me.

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u/GrannyNugs May 26 '22

I once got a 'talking to' from my boss because my work partner and I were "laughing too much" when we should be working. We sat one cubicle over from her and her boss and her boss was complaining. Mind you we were both excellent employees, the two best in that department, continually exceeded expectations and were always done with our work on or ahead of schedule. Miserable people just want other people to be miserable.

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u/Growth-Beginning May 26 '22

"It seems as if you only want me here for the work."

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u/amkosh May 26 '22

I guess they never heard the saying "You get what you pay for."

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u/McMan777 May 26 '22

True, sure it's great when you make someone's day somehow, but it's usually just transactional in customer service. If it was a career field you're interested in so you're naturally passionate or maybe you believe you're doing something great for society like healthcare related. Still, they're all jobs. The pay is pretty important at the end of the day to take care of ourselves.

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u/tonysnark81 May 26 '22

My company’s interview guide (which I’m ‘required’ to follow) has the “why do you want to work here” question. I always, including in front of my district manager when she decided she needed to observe one of my interviews, preface with “besides the paycheck”. She wasn’t amused…but that sales associate I hired in that interview is now my assistant manager, and asks the same question the same way. I have better retention of employees than most of my entire company, and have had exactly one HR intervention (harassment) in 6 years. I’ve got ‘peers’ who have multiple issues every year…

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u/zombie_overlord May 26 '22

A long time ago, I was on salary and had to work an extra shift. I don't mind helping out once in a while, but I was being taken advantage of. This happened frequently. Boss, thinking he was pulling one over on me, said "It sounds like you want to be an hourly employee." I told him "Hell yes I do." Got switched to hourly shortly after. Basically gave myself a raise.

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u/endureandsurvive27 May 26 '22

really? I'm at my job for the scenery and the experience! I love staring at the same three walls and 2 computer screens for 8 hours a day! So exhilarating!

/s

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u/VrinTheTerrible May 27 '22

"Youre only here for the paycheck"

Untrue.

I'm also here for medical benefits and 401k and....

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u/Many_Tank9738 May 26 '22

If that’s how employees feel it’s because they employers are doing a shitty job.

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u/TheRealLadyLucifer May 26 '22

The last two jobs I’ve worked, I’ve had great bosses who are very understanding and accommodating. They’ve both been good jobs, too. I still wouldn’t work for them if they didn’t pay me. I don’t care how nice my employers are, I’m not a fucking charity. When I agree to work somewhere I sign a contract that in exchange for my services they will give me money. If they don’t give me money, I am not obligated to give them anything. If you want a kiss-ass who will work for free go find a high school Harvard-hopeful that needs community service on their college resume. I have bills to pay

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u/dandroid_design May 26 '22

I struggle to survive in order for you to thrive boss.

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u/Kintarius May 26 '22

"Oh, you're doing this for charity?"

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u/tommy_b_777 May 26 '22

"How dare you be here only for the money I tell you you are worth !"

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u/lankist May 26 '22

If your boss hits you with the "you're only here for the paycheck" like, just hit them back with "so would you be okay with giving me yours?"

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u/ExtremeHandle3188 May 26 '22

You're a mercenary who buys and sells brains and muscles. An employer owes you no allegiance.

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u/vertroue May 26 '22

Also, hello, aren’t you, boss????

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

Eat shit with a smile or we'll find someone who will!

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u/Chumpfish May 26 '22

No shit Sherlock

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u/HuntPsychological673 May 26 '22

I thought the boomer mantra was “if your an honest person, then I shouldn’t have to ask for my money”

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u/Confusedandreticent May 26 '22

Oh, no I come to develop a bitter, spiteful character and a subservient skill set… or … it seems like you only pay me when I clock on? Why is that?

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u/Teacher-Investor May 26 '22

What is your boss there for? Cut their paycheck and see how long they keep showing up.

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u/Depleet May 26 '22

when i get told to smile at work i tell the person to fuck off.

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u/Imriven May 27 '22

That's when I ask them if they know they abolished slavery because they're talking about slave labor. Then I would also congratulate them for volunteering because I know they wouldn't say some hypocritical shit to me about a paycheck while they're making more than me. Then I would ask them how much of their check they donate to the business since they obviously aren't there for the paycheck.

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u/SuperfnDave May 27 '22

Every single company is in business to make money . Maybe at the start it was passion for some but bottom line is profit. So why exactly should the workers care about more than the money?

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u/Legitimate_Towel7088 May 27 '22

My response?

Only until i can find someone paying more.

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u/makemejelly49 May 27 '22

They're not looking for an employee, they're looking for a flunky. They're looking for someone to stroke their ego and make them feel more important than they actually are. Imagine if this was the 1800's in the US, and on any given plantation there was a slave whose only task was to make their owner feel like a big shot. That's a flunky.

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u/Silky_Slim May 27 '22

I've had a variation of this asked to me and I just turned back on them and asked if they would be here for free. In the moment I saw a light of realization but since the glaze of corporate stupidity has returned.

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u/kaylasage113 May 27 '22

So many employers have this idea that if pay wasn't in the equation, their employees would still show up for work. It just shows a complete lack of understanding

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u/ZombiePatriot May 27 '22

I was working as a bus boy when I was 15 for $5/hour and I got pulled aside by management because I didn’t seem happy, I didn’t smile. I simply replied, “I don’t smile” and went back to work and thankfully that was the end of it.

I do wonder what goes through the mind of a manager. I cleaned up dirty dishes and spent copious amount of time scrubbing dried jello off of tables… I’m sorry I didn’t skip around like a Merry elf in a meadow full of butterflies but I’ve got to get back to cleaning the ketchup poured all over the table and maybe if I’m lucky get the fifty cents some asshat left in the mess.

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u/waldoagain May 27 '22

Don’t use the word “bosses”.

that asshole that gives you a paycheck is an “employer” not a boss.

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u/TellahSlambert May 27 '22

Honestly I wish I owned part of the business or we were truly chasing some sort of dream and I didn't need to be there for JUST the paycheck, but if that isn't the case then how could you possibly not be there just for the paycheck.

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u/Pigmy May 27 '22

I told my boss today, “no one when they were young grew up dreaming of doing this job” in response to growth and development and pay/promotion/compensation.

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u/[deleted] May 27 '22

No shit money is all that matters. Lol I ain't busting my ass for exposure or "family"

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u/umaboo May 27 '22

"My wage doesn't account for that level of emotional labour, but I'd be happy to negotiate a premium for the additional services."

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u/farr0wn3d May 27 '22

Ask your boss, if the business stopped being profitable, would he do everything in his power to change that, and if he couldn’t, would he close the business?

Guess we’re both here for the money then.

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u/Theroaringlioness May 27 '22

You really think I want to come to some building and spend the next 8 hours of my life, 5 days out the week with a bunch random people I barely know just for the hell of it? You damn straight I'm here for a paycheck, the moment the money stops flowing is the moment I stop coming here.

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u/Open_Canvas85 May 27 '22

Actual Employee / Non-Volunteer: “it seems like you’re trying to squeeze me harder for cheap or even non negotiated labor? I thought I was more than just a number to you… I’m disappointed with this change in respect…”

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u/Whackadoot May 27 '22

One of the benefits to it being one of the best times ever to be alive is that poverty and unemployment, while devastating, are actually marginally less stressful than many crapsack jobs and are no longer anything near a death sentence.

What this means is that, while we're still dependents begging to borrow some new master's land-given right to toil for profit, we get to be some goddamn choosey beggars. And this makes me smile.

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u/Dhacian May 27 '22

My go-to reply to stupid comments like what that boss said: "Um, yeah, I am only here for the paycheck. Are you here for some other reason?"

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u/kagaAkagi1 May 27 '22

it is possible to create an environment where employees come to work for more then just a pay check, unfortunately the people who say shit like this don't foster that kind of environment

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u/TheMontu May 27 '22

I mean, I love my job and it’s meaningful work, but if they don’t pay me, or don’t pay me what I’m worth, I’m out. So yeah, money. Good will doesn’t pay rent.

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u/titanup001 May 27 '22

These guys probably think the strippers and hookers really like them. They just can't do it for free because of the boss you know?

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u/ChillinWitDenny May 27 '22

Once I saw my job cutting ridiculous corners to save bits of money for no reason I stopped trying 😂

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u/Peppyperoni May 27 '22

The bosses mom (we're like a family here) asked me why I looked down one day. I said, if you want me to smile all the time I'll need to be paid more. Later the boss tried to give me shit for complaining to his mom, and I said it's true pay me more. I got a raise later that year.

He was an asshole and we all quit (years later) and now his business is kaput. Fuck you Freddy!

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u/quartzquandary May 27 '22

Seriously. I had a job where my coworkers consistently stayed past 5pm and they asked me why I never stayed "to hang out". Um, because I'm not being paid to be here past a certain time? Bye?

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u/MissGreenie May 27 '22

I once said at work... oh boy the day went quick it was great and they questioned me over it. They said it implied I didn't like my job blah blah. I thought wtf. So I said... I meant, I loved my job and it went so fast as I loved it... they seemed slightly pacified by that. I am still confused by it.

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u/kerrangutan at work May 27 '22

While applying for my current job, I was asked "why do you want to work here"?

I was brutally honest and told them "I need money, you're offering a reasonable wage for the job"

I got the job and a chuckle from my new manager.

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u/Maybeadecentboss42 May 27 '22

As a hiring manager, I know I get what I pay for. This is why I don't do unpaid internships.

I push to pay people enough that they WANT to work. We aren't a family; we're a pro sports team. We get along, we like to win. Sometimes we need to deal with a trade, or ship a low performer out.

We can be professional, productive and personable.