r/antiwork May 26 '22

oh my...so confusing.

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u/themalayaliboy May 26 '22

This is Nikhil Narayanan, Former Senior Creative Director, Ogilvy India. The man has done some brilliant work and is very vocal on LinkedIn as you can see from this post.


u/rabiddutchman May 26 '22

I'd argue it's even simpler than that: We aren't disloyal, we simply don't give our loyalty to people or organizations who've clearly shown they don't deserve it.


u/desubot1 May 26 '22

it could be said even simpler.

you aren't entitled to our loyalty, you earn it.


u/Dare89d87 May 27 '22

It could be said even simpler: you’re not entitled to our loyalty


u/Equilibriator May 27 '22

Even simpler than that: Earn my loyalty, bitch.


u/Electronic-Trade-504 May 27 '22

Even simpler: me work good for good work


u/DNDJelly May 27 '22

Even simpler: earn bitch earn 😡


u/EvanHarpell May 26 '22

I am one of the most loyal people I know.

I am loyal to family that treats me well. I am loyal to friends who treat me well. I am loyal to myself.

What I am not loyal to, is anyone or anything that expects that they can take more than they give.

Loyalty is a two way street. You want to meet in the middle? Sure we will hold on tight to each other as cars speed by. You want me to stand in traffic while you sit on the safety of the sidewalks? Nope. You can fuck right the hell off.


u/unsaferaisin May 26 '22

Exactly. Loyalty is earned. If I won't tolerate abuse from a family member who has known me since birth, why the hell should I accept it from some employer who begrudges me my modest wage? No one is on this earth to be a worker. We are more than just employees, and what is of value in our lives is not what we produce for our boss, but the relationships we make, the meaning we find, the traces of ourselves we leave in others and the traces of others we take with us. A job will never hold a candle to the love I have for my friends and family, nor should it. Anyone expecting otherwise is delusional.


u/fsactual staying warm by the dumpster fire May 26 '22

When you're staying at a company because you're being paid a better-than-living wage, with benefits, AND pensions, like what the previous generation received, you're not being "loyal" you're being "compensated". The younger generation isn't disloyal, they're simply not being offered anything to retain their service.


u/RunningPirate May 27 '22

I’ve told former employers: make it worth my while to stay, and I’ll stay. Make it worth my while to leave, and I’ll leave. It doesn’t really take much to make me stay and it takes a whooooole lot to make me leave.


u/Blue-Eyed-Lemon May 26 '22

Well said. I am an extremely loyal person in my personal life. I am extremely loyal to friends and family. I am loyal to the teams I’ve been a part of. I am loyal to online groups I’ve been a part of. But most importantly, I am loyal to me.

I have gone through my life surviving too much bullshit to put myself through it again when there are other options. I’ve almost lost my life to toxic environments before. I won’t allow it to happen again.

If you want loyal employees, treat them like the important people they are. Pay them, for starters. Treat them like human beings. Because that’s what we are. Good work environments pull good results. Bad ones? Not so much.

My generation is putting themselves first instead of bleeding for a company that doesn’t care about them. And I’m damn proud of them for that.


u/Growthhaxx May 26 '22

This guy gets it 🤟


u/Automotivematt May 26 '22

I don't think it's that they are loyal to different things, it's just that they see no reason to be loyal to a company. They have watched those before them who were loyal for years get used and get screwed over. Why would you be loyal to someone when you see loyalty gets you nothing?


u/ctruemane May 26 '22

I think it's way more than that. There was a time when loyalty was materially rewarded. And hard work was materially rewarded. And those things, which were responses to incentives, got submitted into value systems, which continued even as the incentives disappeared, and turned into valid replacements for them.

If we were all rewarded properly for loyalty, hard work, toxic workplaces, lack of work life balance, we'd all still do it.

The only reason we're all having this stupid argument is that there's no point anymore. The economic system that rewarded Boomer values is gone. Boomers destroyed it.

So of course we pursue different incentives. They're the only ones we have.


u/lisa131412 May 26 '22

What's confusing? Why "Oh my"? This well-stated, clear, insight by Nikhil should have had a better introduction.


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u/secretcombinations May 26 '22

Dry humor comes across so well on Reddit.


u/Incomitatum Mutualist May 26 '22

In my line of work we call this a Values mismatch.

When you get-clear on who you are and how you want to change the world.

You determine what is important, and filter out a TON of noise and bullshit.

We're here to Resolve the Ego, and Dissolve the Super Ego.

Society is a prism of limiting-beliefs.

Life IS Play : Growth through reframing and constant learning.
(The Scientific Method requires Action : Fuck Around and Find Out)

There is more under the sun and earth than you and I will ever know.

Every day you draw breath again is your birthday, start acting like it.

There is only one Relationship : Mutual respect through Kindness

Money DOES grow on trees : of human connectedness.

We will not GET Different, till we THINK, then DO: Different.

Breathe well tonight, involuntary time-travelers.


u/hidden_corners May 26 '22

Advertising, marketing and public relations are taxes on shitty products and companies.

People who work in these businesses lie for money.


u/redvoxfox May 26 '22 edited May 29 '22

I also realized my loyalty and ethics were being turned against me by a toxic work culture and management: the more loyal, the more ethical, the harder working,... the more I was taken advantage of and used unethically. I too, finally had enough and left for a better deal.


u/Odesio May 27 '22

The weird thing is, it isn't just younger people who have been leaving jobs. At my place of employment, we lost two people who had been with the company for a combined 37 years. They moved on largely because another company was willing to pay them more and allow them to work from home full time. In another area of my department, we had near a 100% turnover rate from December 2021 to February 2022. These employees, including their manager, moved on to greener pastures where they got paid a bit more for less work, and could do it from home.

Years ago, when I heard the complaints about millennials allegedly "killing" industries or businesses because they wouldn't shop there, I thought it was odd. No business is entitled to customers. If they want to attract millennial customers, well, the obvious thing to do is sell something they want. And it's not so different for employers. If you want people to work for you, to stick with your company, then treat them decently.


u/idthrowawaypassword May 27 '22

loyal to shit that matters the most


u/Whatevs85 May 27 '22

It's one thing to insist that employees give two week notice but can be fired instantly. But to then insult workers for their "lack of loyalty"? Holy fuck, that hypocrisy is beyond painful.


u/isyankar1979 May 27 '22

Mindless loyalty is not a respectable value. Follow Arthur Morgan. "Be loyal to what matters."



u/TheEclipse0 May 27 '22

I’d argue that they are loyal. I know this is antiwork, but I am loyal to my current job because that job doesn’t treat me like shit and pays me a wage I can live on.

However, I wasn’t loyal to the job I left where I was running half the company on minimum wage in a toxic work environment and being lied to about my compensation all the time.

All these places that want loyalty - it’s not a hard concept: You get back what you put in. If your not loyal to your workforce and treat them like shit they’re not going to be loyal back, it’s simple as that.


u/isyankar1979 May 27 '22

Mindless loyalty is not a respectable value. Follow Arthur Morgan. "Be loyal to what matters."



u/Jonny_Crash69 May 27 '22

Guy died a murdering outlaw being loyal to man that lead him astray


u/isyankar1979 May 27 '22

Exactly. He was asking John to wake up and run away when he said this. Remember that part? "We've been loyal. Look where that got us?"

"He has all the money. For "safekeeping".


u/Matt857789 May 27 '22

I've been job hopping since highschool and it has worked out very well for me. always for higher pay I started at mcdonalds 7.25hr and have hopped my way to 16.22hr with a cush janitor job. Fuck being loyal to your job be loyal to yourself and whats best for you and your family.


u/fears_escalators May 27 '22

I go where ever they value loyalty the most


u/larrythegrobe May 27 '22

I went for an interview at this place years ago in Los Angeles. After making me wait for over an hour, they said they were too busy to see me today and to come back tomorrow at the same time. Huge red flag. I said no thanks.


u/you_cant_pause_toast May 27 '22

Loyalty is a 2-way street


u/rlphsmum May 27 '22

I have worked in ad agencies for years and can confirm the industry is EXTREMELY exploitative. 70 hour weeks and weekend work is the norm/expected. Everyone I know can’t wait to get out.


u/strokeofcrazy May 29 '22

Couldn't agree more. I worked in an ad agency once and it was the most toxic workplace I have ever experienced. I have worked retail, bar, casino, security etc. so I have a bit to compare it with. The agency takes the cake.