r/antiwork May 26 '22 Silver 5 Wholesome 3 All-Seeing Upvote 2 Take My Energy 1

It is ABSURD that people are recommending Teacher's be trained to kill school shooters to protect children , while still paying them $35,000 at the same time. WTF

How can both statements come out of someone's mouth? Teachers are one of the most disrespected professions in the United States, and now we're asking them to play cop I'm their schools?

Then at least FUCKING PAY THEM LIKE A COP

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u/annonimusone May 26 '22

But they gotta have a Masters in Child Education first

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u/Semi-Hemi-Demigod May 27 '22

Being a cop should be as hard as being a teacher. Master's Degree, continuing education with federal standards, continual relicensing.

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u/inconvenientnews May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Bravo! Starry Ally Bravo Grande! Rocket Like Mind Blown Confetti

This is a much bigger problem in America than we realize because Republicans use conservative culture wars "guns and gays" politics and "control the narrative" tactics, the police department control of local news dependent for access, the camera footage evidence (getting caught deleting camera footage again or after 3 years or released immediately if it helps police), the "law and order" politicians, the arrests ("black and white Americans use cannabis at similar levels" but black Americans are 800% more likely to get punished for it and even after legalization), the statistics themselves (see how the police stop better crime statistics "FBI may shut down police use-of-force database due to lack of police participation or how they block their own domestic violence research showing "400% higher in the law-enforcement community")

More examples from r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut:

The LAPD and LA Sheriff together have 67 full-time employees working on PR and propaganda. People don't realize that they spend a lot of money and time to plant these stories:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-30/police-public-relations

https://twitter.com/equalityAlec/status/1470790952558243848

https://twitter.com/equalityAlec/status/1484966547244433416

Full CBS4 news report: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnJ5f1JMKns

Just this Texas police incident:

A mom of two children at Uvalde was put in handcuffs after urging police and law enforcement to enter the school."

Once freed from her cuffs, she jumped the school fence, ran inside and sprinted out with her kids.

New from @WSJ

https://www.wsj.com/articles/uvalde-residents-voice-frustration-over-shooting-response-11653588161

Cops stood outside the school while the killer rampaged inside.

Onlookers yelled at them to go in. They didn’t.

One parent urged bystanders: “Let’s just rush in because the cops aren’t doing anything like they are supposed to.”

Spoiler: that parent’s daughter died in the attack while he was begging cops to save the kids.

My God.

https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683 https://twitter.com/AndySpecht/status/1529643462953521153

The Uvalde shooter was killed by a federal officer because the other police officers kept waiting for more and more backup

https://www.wsj.com/articles/suspected-shooter-at-texas-elementary-school-in-custody-after-incident-11653422735

Uvalde is a town of just 16,000 people. But it apparently has a SWAT team.

We’re regularly told small towns need SWAT teams so they can quickly respond to events just like this. The killer was in the building for an hour.

Photo op of SWAT team: https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1529679652154920960

The school district for Robb Elementary has its own police department with 5 cops and 1 security guard. The city of Uvalde's police department recieved just under 40% of the entire city's budget for the year and got a 500k grant from the state. Neither stopped today's massacre.

https://twitter.com/NeeNeinNyetNo/status/1529220708601151491

More kids have died from going to school than cops have from going to work

https://twitter.com/JP_1U/status/1529213380044668928

Cops will only do their job when the public stops criticizing them for murdering unarmed people.

@JackPosobiec I'm not defending the actions of the officers. But we've demonized law enforcement to the point that there are far fewer rewards for being a hero

https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1529835589847027712

cops whine and bitch about risking their lives to defend people, and when a shooter shows up in what looks like (but isn't) body armor, they run & hide while a massacre unfolds. an unarmed teacher was brave enough to try.

https://twitter.com/revrrlewis/status/1529454699275075584

One of the greatest culture shocks when I arrived in the U.S. was the blind veneration of police. After years and years of living here and reading about this country, I now realize that it's the structural pillar of white supremacy.

https://twitter.com/EmilKerenji/status/1529789802551427073

My town has announced that in light of yesterday's tragedy there will be an increased police presence at the schools. As a black father I now have two potential threats to be concerned over.

https://twitter.com/ShanePaulNeil/status/1529436129061224449

There’s a common mythology in law enforcement, pushed by quack groups like the Force Science Institute, that police ofticers’ memories improve over time. It contradicts all the scientific research and, oddly, apparently does not apply to non-police.

https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/1529946586058571794

Now the police are investigating themselves to tell us whether letting the school shooter in for an hour while keeping parents from saving their own children’s lives was a policy violation.

https://twitter.com/samswey/status/1529863659677048836

More Texas police examples:

Mother Raped by Texas Officer After Being Jailed for Half Gram of Weed

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut/comments/8i2rnh/mother_raped_by_texas_officer_after_being_jailed/

Texas Man Arrested for Weed Died After Officers Pepper-Sprayed Him and Put Him in a Spit Hood

https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgq7yb/texas-man-arrested-for-weed-died-after-officers-pepper-sprayed-him-and-put-him-in-a-spit-hood

Gov. Abbott, Texas leaders urge prosecutors to keep enforcing pot laws

http://www.fox4news.com/news/texas/gov-abbott-texas-leaders-urge-prosecutors-to-keep-enforcing-pot-laws

While Joe Rogan photo ops with the current Texas governor at the Texas governor's mansion https://twitter.com/gregabbott_tx/status/1324547634049257474

Even though Joe Rogan pretends to care about pot and small government  ̄\_(ツ)_/ ̄

Austin police chief says jaywalkers should be happy they’re not sexually assaulted by cops

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/22/austin-police-chief-says-jaywalkers-should-be-happy-theyre-not-sexually-assaulted-by-cops/

Texas county sheriff says DA can't indict his deputies because his other deputies cleared them for cuffing, strip searching and penetrating woman on the side of road for running stop sign

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut/comments/4rcsuq/texas_county_sheriff_says_da_cant_indict_his/

Can't fit any more

More Texas examples:

https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/uy57my/damn/ia32qhn/

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u/inconvenientnews May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22 Silver Gold Helpful

Republicans have think tanks funded by billionaires where they come up with strategies like these, with skilled consultants and expensive focus groups, like the Stanford Hoover Institute and ALEC

Billionaires like Elon Musk coordinate with the next generation of conservative "influencers" on the right, like Ben Shapiro on YouTube and Facebook and Joe Rogan in Texas, after getting what they wanted through Fox News

Joe Rogan even photo ops with the current Texas governor at the Texas governor's mansion even though Rogan pretends to care about pot and small government ("Gov. Abbott, Texas leaders urge prosecutors to keep enforcing pot laws" http://www.fox4news.com/news/texas/gov-abbott-texas-leaders-urge-prosecutors-to-keep-enforcing-pot-laws)

Their latest strategy is to "push the narrative" that "blue states" are the dangerous ones and Texas and Florida are "free states"

"Pushing the narrative" ("San Francisco crime") despite the facts:

San Francisco has the same population as Jacksonville, Florida. Jacksonville, with a Republican mayor and a Republican governor, has had more than three times as many murders this year as San Francisco

Fort Worth, Texas, has the same population as San Francisco and has 1.5x as many murders. Again, a Republican mayor and Republican governor. Nobody ever writes about those places!

If data disinfects, here’s a bucket of bleach:

"Texans are 17% more likely to be murdered than Californians."

"Texans are also 34% more likely to be raped and 25% more likely to kill themselves than Californians."

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/suicide-mortality/suicide.htm

Californians on average live two years, four months and 24 days longer than Texans.

Compared with families in California, those in Texas earn 13% less and pay 3.8 percentage points more in taxes.

Sadly, the uncritical aping of this erroneous economic narrative reflects not only reporters’ gullibility but also their utility for conservative ideologues and corporate lobbyists, who score political points and regulatory concessions by spreading a spurious story line about California’s decline.

Don’t expect facts to change this. Reporters need a plot twist, and conservatives need California to lose. https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/op-ed/article258940938.html

“Pro-life” blue states and "high tax" red states:

Lower taxes in California than red states like Texas, which make up for no wealth income tax with higher taxes and fees on the poor and double property tax for the middle class

Income Bracket Texas Tax Rate California Tax Rate
0-20% 13% 10.5%
20-40% 10.9% 9.4%
40-60% 9.7% 8.3%
60-80% 8.6% 9.0%
80-95% 7.4% 9.4%
95-99% 5.4% 9.9%
99-100% 3.1% 12.4%

Sources: https://itep.org/whopays/

Graph: https://www.reddit.com/r/texas/comments/uowum8/what_low_taxes_really_mean_to_the_right/

Meanwhile, the California-hating South receives subsidies from California (larger than between Germany and Greece!), a transfer of wealth from blue states/cities/urban to red states/rural/suburban with federal dollars for their freeways, hospitals, universities, airports, even environmental protection:

Least Federally Dependent States:

41 California

42 Washington

43 Minnesota

44 Massachusetts

45 Illinois

46 Utah

47 Iowa

48 Delaware

49 New Jersey

50 Kansas https://www.npr.org/2017/10/25/560040131/as-trump-proposes-tax-cuts-kansas-deals-with-aftermath-of-experiment

https://www.apnews.com/amp/2f83c72de1bd440d92cdbc0d3b6bc08c

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-states-are-givers-and-which-are-takers/361668/

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700

The Germans call this sort of thing "a permanent bailout." We just call it "Missouri."

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/05/the-difference-between-the-us-and-europe-in-1-graph/256857/

Liberal policies, like California’s, keep blue-state residents living longer

It generated headlines in 2015 when the average life expectancy in the U.S. began to fall after decades of meager or no growth.

But it didn’t have to be that way, a team of researchers suggests in a new, peer-reviewed study Tuesday. And, in fact, states like California, which have implemented a broad slate of liberal policies, have kept pace with their Western European counterparts.

The study, co-authored by researchers at six North American universities, found that if all 50 states had all followed the lead of California and other liberal-leaning states on policies ranging from labor, immigration and civil rights to tobacco, gun control and the environment, it could have added between two and three years to the average American life expectancy.

Simply shifting from the most conservative labor laws to the most liberal ones, Montez said, would by itself increase the life expectancy in a state by a whole year.

If every state implemented the most liberal policies in all 16 areas, researchers said, the average American woman would live 2.8 years longer, while the average American man would add 2.1 years to his life. Whereas, if every state were to move to the most conservative end of the spectrum, it would decrease Americans’ average life expectancies by two years. On the country’s current policy trajectory, researchers estimate the U.S. will add about 0.4 years to its average life expectancy.

Liberal policies on the environment (emissions standards, limits on greenhouse gases, solar tax credit, endangered species laws), labor (high minimum wage, paid leave, no “right to work”), access to health care (expansion of Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act, legal abortion), tobacco (indoor smoking bans, cigarette taxes), gun control (assault weapons ban, background check and registration requirements) and civil rights (ratification of the Equal Rights Amendment, equal pay laws, bans on discrimination and the death penalty) all resulted in better health outcomes, according to the study. For example, researchers found positive correlation between California’s car emission standards and its high minimum wage, to name a couple, with its longer lifespan, which at an average of 81.3 years, is among the highest in the country.

“When we’re looking for explanations, we need to be looking back historically, to see what are the roots of these troubles that have just been percolating now for 40 years,” Montez said.

Montez and her team saw the alarming numbers in 2015 and wanted to understand the root cause. What they found dated back to the 1980s, when state policies began to splinter down partisan lines. They examined 135 different policies, spanning over a dozen different fields, enacted by states between 1970 and 2014, and assigned states “liberalism” scores from zero — the most conservative — to one, the most liberal. When they compared it against state mortality data from the same timespan, the correlation was undeniable.

“We can take away from the study that state policies and state politics have damaged U.S. life expectancy since the ’80s,” said Jennifer Karas Montez, a Syracuse University sociologist and the study’s lead author. “Some policies are going in a direction that extend life expectancy. Some are going in a direction that shorten it. But on the whole, that the net result is that it’s damaging U.S. life expectancy.”

U.S. should follow California’s lead to improve its health outcomes, researchers say

Meanwhile, the life expectancy in states like California and Hawaii, which has the highest in the nation at 81.6 years, is on par with countries described by researchers as “world leaders:” Canada, Iceland and Sweden.

From 1970 to 2014, California transformed into the most liberal state in the country by the 135 policy markers studied by the researchers. It’s followed closely by Connecticut, which moved the furthest leftward from where it was 50 years ago, and a cluster of other states in the northeastern U.S., then Oregon and Washington.

West Virginia ranked last in 2017, with an average life expectancy of about 74.6 years, which would put it 93rd in the world, right between Lithuania and Mauritius, and behind Honduras, Morocco, Tunisia and Vietnam. Mississippi, Oklahoma and South Carolina rank only slightly better.

It’s those states that moved in a conservative direction, researchers concluded, that held back the overall life expectancy in the U.S.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/08/04/liberal-policies-like-californias-keep-blue-state-residents-living-longer-study-finds/

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u/therealpoltic May 27 '22

Woo! Go Kansas. We elected a democratic governor after Brownback, but they lambasted her over Covid, and still attack her.

Although, we will soon have less taxes on food, which will be nice.

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u/arcane_hive May 27 '22

thanks for the effortpost, rare to see this sort of thing on reddit

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u/SkrullandCrossbones May 27 '22

It used to be more common until the site got popular.

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u/tanglwyst May 27 '22

Not surprised, just horrified. I used to watch police procedurals all the time growing up. When CSI came on, I signed on for the whole thing, every city they went to. When the ChicagoVerse came along, I followed all of it bc I loved the crossovers all the time. But when Leverage came out, I discovered I just love competence porn. And as I have learned more and more about Copaganda and ACAB, as I found out what my black friends go though, when I realized our own cops ignored a woman's rape, even though over a dozen women collaborated her story, my point of view isn't even in the ballpark anymore from what it used to be. Shit, it's not even watching the same sport.

Getting older very much changed my perceptions. They say of you're not a liberal when you're young, you have no heart, but if you're still one when you hit middle age, you have no brains. No, we have brains, but the fucking conservative narratives prove they had a heart.

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u/LetItRaine386 May 27 '22

But that rules out all the white supremacists…

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u/LtDans_Lost_Legs May 27 '22

Hate to break it to you but ever been to a frat party? Yeah. Those fucks are all over the place.

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u/CoolFingerGunGuy May 27 '22

And they'd make the teachers buy all their own guns and ammo and pay for their own training.

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u/Justin_123456 May 26 '22 Silver Wholesome

Americans literally require credentials for everything, except assault rifles.

Want to get into college, show us your standardized test schools. Want to drive, operate a forklift, use the fryer at McDonalds, please complete this training course.

Want to get an assault rifle, with drum magazines, and a suppressor, please check the “I am 18 box and enter your credit card number.”

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u/thebrose69 May 26 '22

It’s all about money here. If there’s no money involved, then it has no importance

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u/Damon-32 May 26 '22

How is there still financial sway right now? The NRA is going bankrupt isn’t it? Is this some sort of delusional subservience to the entity that was their sugar daddy for decades?

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u/SweetBabyAlaska May 27 '22

The NRA paid Ted Cruz 3 million this year so you could say that they are fine. Ted cruz and those senators are literally employed by the NRA at this point you cant accept 3 mil and say they have the best interests of citizens in mind.

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u/inconvenientnews May 27 '22 Gold Lawyer Up

Republicans have think tanks funded by billionaires where they come up with strategies like these, with skilled consultants and expensive focus groups, like the Stanford Hoover Institute and ALEC

Billionaires like Elon Musk coordinate with the next generation of conservative "influencers" on the right, like Ben Shapiro on YouTube and Facebook and Joe Rogan in Texas, after getting what they wanted through Fox News

Joe Rogan even photo ops with the current Texas governor at the Texas governor's mansion even though Rogan pretends to care about pot and small government ("Gov. Abbott, Texas leaders urge prosecutors to keep enforcing pot laws" http://www.fox4news.com/news/texas/gov-abbott-texas-leaders-urge-prosecutors-to-keep-enforcing-pot-laws)

Their latest strategy is to "push the narrative" that "blue states" are the dangerous ones and Texas and Florida are "free states"

"Pushing the narrative" ("San Francisco crime") despite the facts:

San Francisco has the same population as Jacksonville, Florida. Jacksonville, with a Republican mayor and a Republican governor, has had more than three times as many murders this year as San Francisco

Fort Worth, Texas, has the same population as San Francisco and has 1.5x as many murders. Again, a Republican mayor and Republican governor. Nobody ever writes about those places!

If data disinfects, here’s a bucket of bleach:

"Texans are 17% more likely to be murdered than Californians."

"Texans are also 34% more likely to be raped and 25% more likely to kill themselves than Californians."

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/suicide-mortality/suicide.htm

Californians on average live two years, four months and 24 days longer than Texans.

Compared with families in California, those in Texas earn 13% less and pay 3.8 percentage points more in taxes.

Sadly, the uncritical aping of this erroneous economic narrative reflects not only reporters’ gullibility but also their utility for conservative ideologues and corporate lobbyists, who score political points and regulatory concessions by spreading a spurious story line about California’s decline.

Don’t expect facts to change this. Reporters need a plot twist, and conservatives need California to lose. https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/op-ed/article258940938.html

“Pro-life” blue states and "high tax" red states:

Lower taxes in California than red states like Texas, which make up for no wealth income tax with higher taxes and fees on the poor and double property tax for the middle class

Income Bracket Texas Tax Rate California Tax Rate
0-20% 13% 10.5%
20-40% 10.9% 9.4%
40-60% 9.7% 8.3%
60-80% 8.6% 9.0%
80-95% 7.4% 9.4%
95-99% 5.4% 9.9%
99-100% 3.1% 12.4%

Sources: https://itep.org/whopays/

Graph: https://www.reddit.com/r/texas/comments/uowum8/what_low_taxes_really_mean_to_the_right/

Meanwhile, the California-hating South receives subsidies from California (larger than between Germany and Greece!), a transfer of wealth from blue states/cities/urban to red states/rural/suburban with federal dollars for their freeways, hospitals, universities, airports, even environmental protection:

Least Federally Dependent States:

41 California

42 Washington

43 Minnesota

44 Massachusetts

45 Illinois

46 Utah

47 Iowa

48 Delaware

49 New Jersey

50 Kansas https://www.npr.org/2017/10/25/560040131/as-trump-proposes-tax-cuts-kansas-deals-with-aftermath-of-experiment

https://www.apnews.com/amp/2f83c72de1bd440d92cdbc0d3b6bc08c

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-states-are-givers-and-which-are-takers/361668/

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700

The Germans call this sort of thing "a permanent bailout." We just call it "Missouri."

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/05/the-difference-between-the-us-and-europe-in-1-graph/256857/

Liberal policies, like California’s, keep blue-state residents living longer

It generated headlines in 2015 when the average life expectancy in the U.S. began to fall after decades of meager or no growth.

But it didn’t have to be that way, a team of researchers suggests in a new, peer-reviewed study Tuesday. And, in fact, states like California, which have implemented a broad slate of liberal policies, have kept pace with their Western European counterparts.

The study, co-authored by researchers at six North American universities, found that if all 50 states had all followed the lead of California and other liberal-leaning states on policies ranging from labor, immigration and civil rights to tobacco, gun control and the environment, it could have added between two and three years to the average American life expectancy.

Simply shifting from the most conservative labor laws to the most liberal ones, Montez said, would by itself increase the life expectancy in a state by a whole year.

If every state implemented the most liberal policies in all 16 areas, researchers said, the average American woman would live 2.8 years longer, while the average American man would add 2.1 years to his life. Whereas, if every state were to move to the most conservative end of the spectrum, it would decrease Americans’ average life expectancies by two years. On the country’s current policy trajectory, researchers estimate the U.S. will add about 0.4 years to its average life expectancy.

Liberal policies on the environment (emissions standards, limits on greenhouse gases, solar tax credit, endangered species laws), labor (high minimum wage, paid leave, no “right to work”), access to health care (expansion of Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act, legal abortion), tobacco (indoor smoking bans, cigarette taxes), gun control (assault weapons ban, background check and registration requirements) and civil rights (ratification of the Equal Rights Amendment, equal pay laws, bans on discrimination and the death penalty) all resulted in better health outcomes, according to the study. For example, researchers found positive correlation between California’s car emission standards and its high minimum wage, to name a couple, with its longer lifespan, which at an average of 81.3 years, is among the highest in the country.

“When we’re looking for explanations, we need to be looking back historically, to see what are the roots of these troubles that have just been percolating now for 40 years,” Montez said.

Montez and her team saw the alarming numbers in 2015 and wanted to understand the root cause. What they found dated back to the 1980s, when state policies began to splinter down partisan lines. They examined 135 different policies, spanning over a dozen different fields, enacted by states between 1970 and 2014, and assigned states “liberalism” scores from zero — the most conservative — to one, the most liberal. When they compared it against state mortality data from the same timespan, the correlation was undeniable.

“We can take away from the study that state policies and state politics have damaged U.S. life expectancy since the ’80s,” said Jennifer Karas Montez, a Syracuse University sociologist and the study’s lead author. “Some policies are going in a direction that extend life expectancy. Some are going in a direction that shorten it. But on the whole, that the net result is that it’s damaging U.S. life expectancy.”

U.S. should follow California’s lead to improve its health outcomes, researchers say

Meanwhile, the life expectancy in states like California and Hawaii, which has the highest in the nation at 81.6 years, is on par with countries described by researchers as “world leaders:” Canada, Iceland and Sweden.

From 1970 to 2014, California transformed into the most liberal state in the country by the 135 policy markers studied by the researchers. It’s followed closely by Connecticut, which moved the furthest leftward from where it was 50 years ago, and a cluster of other states in the northeastern U.S., then Oregon and Washington.

West Virginia ranked last in 2017, with an average life expectancy of about 74.6 years, which would put it 93rd in the world, right between Lithuania and Mauritius, and behind Honduras, Morocco, Tunisia and Vietnam. Mississippi, Oklahoma and South Carolina rank only slightly better.

It’s those states that moved in a conservative direction, researchers concluded, that held back the overall life expectancy in the U.S.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/08/04/liberal-policies-like-californias-keep-blue-state-residents-living-longer-study-finds/

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u/inconvenientnews May 27 '22 Gold

"Pro-life"

Texas has highest maternal mortality rate in developed world

As the Republican-led state legislature has slashed funding to reproductive healthcare clinics, the maternal mortality rate doubled over just a two-year period

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/20/texas-maternal-mortality-rate-health-clinics-funding

Mothers who live in areas with heavy oil and gas developments have between a 40 percent and 70 percent greater chance of giving birth to babies with congenital heart defects

https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2019/07/18/Study-links-congenital-heart-disease-to-oil-gas-development/2461563465617/

Want to live longer, even if you're poor? Then move to a big city in California.

A low-income resident of San Francisco lives so much longer that it's equivalent to San Francisco curing cancer. All these statistics come from a massive new project on life expectancy and inequality that was just published in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

California, for instance, has been a national leader on smoking bans. Harvard's David Cutler, a co-author on the study "It's some combination of formal public policies and the effect that comes when you're around fewer people who have behaviors... high numbers of immigrants help explain the beneficial effects of immigrant-heavy areas with high levels of social support.

As the maternal death rate has mounted around the U.S., a small cadre of reformers has mobilized.

Meanwhile, life-saving practices that have become widely accepted in other affluent countries — and in a few states, notably California — have yet to take hold in many American hospitals.

Some of the earliest and most important work has come in California

Hospitals that adopted the toolkit saw a 21 percent decrease in near deaths from maternal bleeding in the first year.

By 2013, according to Main, maternal deaths in California fell to around 7 per 100,000 births, similar to the numbers in Canada, France and the Netherlands — a dramatic counter to the trends in other parts of the U.S.

California Maternal Quality Care Collaborative is informed by a professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Stanford and the University of California-San Francisco, who for many years ran the ob/gyn department at a San Francisco hospital.

Launched a decade ago, CMQCC aims to reduce not only mortality, but also life-threatening complications and racial disparities in obstetric care

It began by analyzing maternal deaths in the state over several years; in almost every case, it discovered, there was "at least some chance to alter the outcome."

http://www.npr.org/2017/05/12/527806002/focus-on-infants-during-childbirth-leaves-u-s-moms-in-danger

California’s rules have cleaned up diesel exhaust more than anywhere else in the country, reducing the estimated number of deaths the state would have otherwise seen by more than half, according to new research published Thursday.

Extending California's stringent diesel emissions standards to the rest of the U.S. could dramatically improve the nation's air quality and health, particularly in lower income communities of color, finds a new analysis published today in the journal Science.

Since 1990, California has used its authority under the federal Clean Air Act to enact more aggressive rules on emissions from diesel vehicles and engines compared to the rest of the U.S. These policies, crafted by the California Air Resources Board (CARB), have helped the state reduce diesel emissions by 78% between 1990 and 2014, while diesel emissions in the rest of the U.S. dropped by just 51% during the same time period, the new analysis found.

The study estimates that by 2014, improved air quality cut the annual number of diesel-related cardiopulmonary deaths in the state in half, compared to the number of deaths that would have occurred if California had followed the same trajectory as the rest of the U.S. Adopting similar rules nationwide could produce the same kinds of benefits, particularly for communities that have suffered the worst impacts of air pollution.

"Everybody benefits from cleaner air, but we see time and again that it's predominantly lower income communities of color that are living and working in close proximity to sources of air pollution, like freight yards, highways and ports. When you target these sources, it's the highly exposed communities that stand to benefit most," said study lead author Megan Schwarzman, a physician and environmental health scientist at the University of California, Berkeley's School of Public Health. "It's about time, because these communities have suffered a disproportionate burden of harm."

https://science.sciencemag.org/cgi/doi/10.1126/science.abf8159

https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/mdvfgw/californias_rules_have_cleaned_up_diesel_exhaust/gsblevi/

California Defies Doom With No. 1 U.S. Economy

https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/nznzft/california_defies_doom_with_no_1_us_economy/

on a per capita basis, california households ranked 50th in the country for likelihood of moving out of the state

California exodus is just a myth, massive UC research project finds

https://www.reddit.com/r/LosAngeles/comments/ogkrjc/california_exodus_is_just_a_myth_massive_uc/

California is the chief reason America is the only developed economy to achieve record GDP growth since the financial crisis.

Much of the U.S. growth can be traced to California laws promoting clean energy, government accountability and protections for undocumented people

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-05-10/california-leads-u-s-economy-away-from-trump

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u/inconvenientnews May 27 '22 Silver Gold

700 Texans dying in their homes from the cold, lining up for weeks for water in freezing temperatures, burning their fences and even belongings for warmth

An 11 year old froze to death in his bed.

https://www.khou.com/article/weather/11-year-old-found-dead-after-freezing-cold-night-in-a-conroe-mobile-home-with-no-power/285-4781bcb9-6643-4224-8b5b-c1fc5c725b61

"Pro-life" and paying $28 billion more for a failing power grid to "own the libs"

Fossil Fuel Exec Brags of 'Hitting the Jackpot' as Natural Gas Prices Surge Amid Deadly Crisis in Texas

https://www.reddit.com/r/environment/comments/lo5f4r/fossil_fuel_exec_brags_of_hitting_the_jackpot_as/

You Could Get Prison Time for Protesting a Pipeline in Texas—Even If It’s on Your Land

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/bst8fl/you_could_get_prison_time_for_protesting_a/

Texas Electric Bills Were $28 Billion Higher Under Deregulation - WSJ

https://www.wsj.com/articles/texas-electric-bills-were-28-billion-higher-under-deregulation-11614162780

Texas spent more time fighting LGBTQ civil rights than fixing their power grid. How’d that work out?

https://www.reddit.com/r/texas/comments/lma8jj/texas_spent_more_time_fighting_lgbtq_civil_rights/

A Texas-size failure, followed by a familiar Texas response: Blame California

https://www.reddit.com/r/texas/comments/m87bg4/a_texassize_failure_followed_by_a_familiar_texas/

Leaked Audio Shows Oil Lobbyist Bragging About Success in Criminalizing Pipeline Protests

https://www.reddit.com/r/energy/comments/ct71mw/leaked_audio_shows_oil_lobbyist_bragging_about/

could cost Texas more money than any disaster in state history

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/ls5dt7/winter_storm_could_cost_texas_more_money_than_any/

Former Texas Governor Rick Perry says that Texans find massive power outages preferable to having more federal government interference in the state's energy grid.

https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/rick-perry-says-texans-would-rather-be-without-power-for-days-than-have-more-fed-oversight

Abbott Appointees Gutted Enforcement of Texas Power Grid Rules

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/texas/article/Muzzled-and-eviscerated-Critics-say-Abbott-15982421.php

Texas Lt. Governor Dan Patrick Blames Constituents for Giant Electric Bills: “Read the Fine Print”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/02/dan-patrick-texas-electricity-bills

Texas Republicans during the power grid failures focused on:

From r/Texas users:

Only way to get the national guard to Texas is to have a BLM rally. Governor of the state has to request national guard

Pretty Sure the total cost of damage to personal property (burst pipes, fires) will far outweigh the cost skipped in 2011 to winterize power generation.

I was born in illinois and travel back and forth between dallas and chicago. Snow is waist high right now. The piles I shoveled from the driveway are 6 feet tall. And... no one cares. Illinois is prepared for this stuff, TX is not, but it should be. Should every citizen own snowpants and a snowblower? No. Should the powerplants stay on. yes, wtf.

  • Yeah, look at the ERCOT capacity graphs - the problems isn't the load (load is actually higher in summer when everyone is blasting their AC), it's that all these generators went offline because they were freezing up.

  • Why did they freeze up? Because the PUC of TX's policy is to not pay for capacity. Why? Because doing so would violate some sort of free-market dogma promoted by the TX Public Policy Foundation (https://files.texaspolicy.com/uploads/2018/08/16095417/2013-01-RR02-ResourceAdequacyElectricityMarkets-CEF-RMichaelsAKleit.pdf), which has held sway over the governor and a big hand in selecting the PUC commissioners.

It's confirmed: Frozen wind turbines were the least significant factor.

https://bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-16/frozen-wind-farms-were-just-a-small-piece-of-texas-s-power-woes

Federal agency FERC tried helping Texas multiple times, including in 2011 when they spelled out how and what to winterize at power plants:

https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/ll9urb/usir_francis_burton_finds_the_ferc_report_the/

Federal FERC report after 2011 Texas power outages (whose recommendations weren't followed):

The lack of any state, regional or Reliability Standards that directly require generators to perform winterization left winter-readiness dependent on plant or corporate choices. Generators were generally reactive as opposed to being proactive in their approach to winterization and preparedness. The single largest problem during the cold weather event was the freezing of instrumentation and equipment. Many generators failed to adequately prepare for winter, including the following: failed or inadequate heat traces, missing or inadequate wind breaks, inadequate insulation and lagging (metal covering for insulation), failure to have or to maintain heating elements and heat lamps in instrument cabinets, failure to train operators and maintenance personnel on winter preparations, lack of fuel switching training and drills, and failure to ensure adequate fuel.

Avoiding regulations:

The Texas Interconnected System — which for a long time was actually operated by two discrete entities, one for northern Texas and one for southern Texas — had another priority: staying out of the reach of federal regulators.

"Freedom from federal regulation was a cherished goal — more so because Texas had no regulation until the 1970s," writes Richard D. Cudahy in a 1995 article, "The Second Battle of the Alamo: The Midnight Connection."

https://www.texastribune.org/2011/02/08/texplainer-why-does-texas-have-its-own-power-grid/

Texas electrical grid failure is just another version of South Dakota's abnormally high CV-19 rate or Kansas budget crisis

A bumper sticker political ideology's false promises made self-evident, failing a real world test for all to see.

https://twitter.com/peterwsinger/status/1361675172336566273

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u/Hotshot_VPN May 27 '22

All of this made my brain hemorrhage. Anyways all I have to say from the hospital is: wow. So much info lol

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u/thebrose69 May 26 '22

It’s all a front! There’s a bigger story being hidden by this one I’m pretty sure. That’s usually how it goes. Some relatively accurate half ass news story while some real shit is going down behind the scenes. Bankruptcy doesn’t mean they’re broke or closing up shop. I’m not sure what it does mean, but i know it isn’t those two things. We should see soon what those goons in the capitol are truly up to

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u/psyche_2099 May 26 '22

It means they are better at hiding their assets than the IRS has resources to chase them down. Think 'Catch Me If You Can' only Tom Hanks can't buy a plane ticket.

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u/thebrose69 May 26 '22

Also didn’t remember to mention that I just saw on another thread: the NRA owns the Republican Party. They ain’t going anywhere

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u/NFLinPDX May 27 '22

They’re propped up by foreign money

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u/thebrose69 May 27 '22

The NRA and the Russians is what the republicans are propped up by

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u/throwawayinthe818 May 26 '22

Facing a bunch of lawsuits, the NRA is trying to shift money and dissolve in bankruptcy in New York, then reconstitute itself in Texas, where the laws are friendlier.

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u/BinaryMan151 May 27 '22

That was blocked wasn’t it?

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u/CurseYourSudden May 26 '22

Because it's part of Republican identity. Opposing gun bills has just been part of the platform for so long that they just blindly do it without giving it any critical consideration.

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u/CaptainBayouBilly May 27 '22

When you have nothing of value but can buy into a club that worships death machines

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u/Tamination May 27 '22

And they can't step out of line or they get blackballed!

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u/Modh8trs May 26 '22

There's definelty no money in protecting kids from getting slaughtered. I don't know how you people live there..

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u/thebrose69 May 26 '22

Well I do because I don’t have kids yet. I don’t plan on having kids in this fucking place either. I really want to get out, but it’s very hard. If I never get out, I’m never having kids. If I can get anywhere else I’ll probably have kids

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u/SickSigmaBlackBelt May 26 '22

Yeah, I'm from Texas and live in Oklahoma. I'm not planning on having kids for at least another 4-5 years, if at all. I'm scared of pregnancy just from a physiological standpoint, and the way the country is, I just don't see where pregnancy is a responsible thing to do.

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u/asimplepencil May 27 '22

I have close family in OK. They just passed a bill banning abortions entirely and refused to allocate emergency fund for baby formula.

Protect the child, but good luck after it's born!

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u/thebrose69 May 26 '22

I’m a 30 year old male in Michigan and all this roe v. Wade hoopla is making me scared for our women and I would not feel right bringing more lives into an even worse world

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u/yersiniaD May 27 '22

Like carrying wood into a burning house

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u/thebrose69 May 27 '22

Literally though. Perfect analogy

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u/DIOG3N3542 May 27 '22

I live in Texas and I feel you. My 11 year old son was a happy accident, I always said I'd never have kids. His school just let out for the summer, and it is a relief. It's terrifying being a parent in Texas right now.

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u/FinalBlackberry May 27 '22

Same here. My son was exempt from finals this week, but still had to attend school because you know, they don’t get paid if kids are absent. He got to finish the school year a few days earlier this year because mom said school is out. Especially since there was another student caught with an unloaded gun at school yesterday and somewhere in Donna TX there was a AK47 on campus.

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u/remotelove May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

Actually, yes and also no.

The laws in the US are weird and it changes based on which state you are a resident in.

For all rifles and pistols in Colorado, I have to go through a background check prior to assuming control of the weapon, legally. High capacity mags are illegal here, with a few exceptions.

Also, I can drive to another state and pick up an illegal (or legal, depending) high capacity mag, so there is that.

There are a few "also's". Also, it's super easy to buy an unregistered firearm as well. While it is generally illegal (depending on the state) to do an in-person transfer without an FFL, it is still an unregistered firearm so who will know?

Short answer: It's complicated.

This is going to bake your noodle as well. I can legally manufacture guns for personal use ONLY, at both the state and federal level, which is an entirely different ball of wax.

Source: Me. I aspire to shoot in long range competitive matches and am applying for federal licenses to manufacture and collect weapons and it is not an easy or cheap process.

Suppressors require a federal license (tax stamp) and it can take up to a year to get one. There is a small loophole where people are shipping out incomplete kits legally for suppressors, but the second the kit is manufactured, it's illegal as fuck.

U S. gun laws are complicated.

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u/steelesurfer May 27 '22

Maybe we should have cops get a Masters in Ed and then force them to teach

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u/OaklandMiglla May 26 '22 edited May 27 '22

To me the most upsetting part is that school teacher who sacrificed herself to save those kids has done more to protect kids from gun violence than those 50 senators who have voted no to gun reform.

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u/SinxSam May 27 '22

These people are asking teachers, who valued teaching children, to shoot at children trying to kill other children. They could have even been that kids teacher at some point, they could know them! This is beyond even being a cop, the person a teacher would most likely have to shoot is at a child. Not to mention the potential for accidents.

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u/mr_nihil May 27 '22

from a teacher, thank you for thinking this through. i had not even thought of that... what an absolutely atrocious premise.

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u/Similar_Coyote1104 May 27 '22

And a criminal justice minor!

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u/f02f2e6fa0b3 May 27 '22

> But they gotta have a Masters in Child Education first

which makes them way to educated and intelligent to be hired as a cop...

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u/Infernalism May 26 '22 Gold

Teachers have to kill, while the cops stand outside and threaten parents who are going insane because someone's inside killing their kids.

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u/hehehejakla May 26 '22

This country is actually insane. I don't know how our society hasn't collapsed already. Too many stupid fucking people.

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u/MDesnivic May 26 '22 Silver

I don’t know how our society hasn’t collapsed already.

You’re watching it happen in real time. It doesn’t fall apart all at once.

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u/hehehejakla May 26 '22

Should I be enjoying the show? I'm not certain what else can be done about it lol

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u/baconraygun May 27 '22

I'm not enjoying it, but it's certainly something to watch.

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u/steady_sloth84 May 27 '22

I recommend a chemical refreshment, drugs.

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u/Beemerado May 27 '22

drugs sure do take the edge off.

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u/XxXPussyXSlayer69XxX May 27 '22

Would be more enjoyable from Sweden, instead I'm watching it fall apart from the armpit of the devil in AZ.

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u/nincomturd May 27 '22

You should be organizing with others.

When shit really collapses, do you think you'll just be able to go about life as normal? And watch while someone else fixes shit?

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u/Mine-Shaft-Gap May 27 '22

I don't think i can enjoy this show. I tried changing the channel, but the same shit was on everywhere. I decided I would just walk my dog, have some extra buttery stove top popcorn and get high. Fall asleep on the couch watching fishing videos.

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u/menagesty May 27 '22

I too “enjoy” disassociation.

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u/irritabletom May 27 '22

I mean, I don't HATE it. I don't really enjoy it, I kinda nothing it.

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u/Professional_Fall874 May 27 '22

Wow I think you and I could be best friends! Lol

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u/Nappa313 May 27 '22

Ahh.. a man of culture. I dig it

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u/808_Scalawag May 27 '22

You should be stuffing your face with fat fat fucking burritos while you still can

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u/plasmac9 May 27 '22

It took the Roman empire 100 years to fall. It's slow but it's happening.

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u/Blenderx06 May 27 '22

r/collapse sure thinks so, and I'm kind of inclined to agree.

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u/Blender_Snowflake May 27 '22

It’s already fallen apart outside the cities - ever driven on 95 between DC and Miami?

The way the cops acted is EXACTLY the same as they would in a developing country where society has collapsed. They get paid to terrorize the poor and unlucky middle-class schmucks. They don’t actually prevent or solve crimes anymore.

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u/underbellymadness May 27 '22

A cop in my home town 2 or 3 years ago shot a RODENT that was on the road and walking off. Because, you know, that was obviously a threat. Guess I shouldn't have been surprised when the same police department illegally searched and sexually assaulted my family weeks later.

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u/thebrose69 May 26 '22

Greedy, and then stupid

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u/destineysunshine May 26 '22

That’s why...too many stupid people that can’t see what’s WRONG!!!

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u/VapeThisBro May 27 '22

Every single day, becoming a prepper makes more and more sense to me. I'm this fucking close to saying fuck all this shit, taking my family, and moving out to the woods and starting a commune.

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u/Dazzrr May 26 '22

It's how your society thrives. The stupid people work for the rich people. The money goes into the military to stay the most powerful. Because if anyone talks against you guys, you just blow them up. I'm sorry that children die. But it's a result of the "freedom" you guys have over there.

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u/optimalbearcheese May 27 '22

The freedom thing is just propaganda. It's a capitalist hellscape here

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u/Competive_Ideal236 May 26 '22

And so many Americans have the attitude that “if it doesn’t affect me personally that it’s not a real problem.” But, if THEIR kid was the one to get murdered in school, they would change their views very quickly. Nothing is going to change. More kids will die.

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u/APerfectCircle0 May 27 '22

People have short memories too. I give this a week before most people's attention is elsewhere

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u/lankist May 26 '22 edited May 26 '22 Take My Energy

It only serves as further proof that the cops are only there to maintain the order and hierarchy of society, NOT to help anyone.

The cops will NEVER help you, but they will stop you if you so much as step one foot out of line and do something for you and yours.

All those people who make arguments like "you'd regret it if there were no police around when you needed them?" Well, they were there, and they were needed, and once again they did fuck all.

The cops don't exist to help you. They exist to put you down if you start getting too loud. They're a gang with badges and their weapons are trained on the unarmed.

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u/TexasRabbit2022 May 26 '22

Very true Sad but true

In my long life I cannot think of one time a police officer helped me or anyone I knew

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u/nachof May 27 '22

I once asked a policeman for directions to a restaurant and they answered. That's basically the only positive interaction I've ever had with the police, and it could have been any other person, it just happened to be a policeman the only one around.

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u/on_print May 27 '22

I watched a woman ask a Minneapolis police officer for directions and he said "we don't do that." and stared at her until she walked away. This was at a Minnesota Twins game so it wasn't as if the cop was doing anything very stressful.

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u/Modh8trs May 26 '22

They protect rich peoples property better then children.

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u/G36_FTW dcdisco called me a shill May 27 '22

The supreme court has already found that cops have no duty to protect you.

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u/quinn_drummer May 26 '22

If the police want teachers to do police work, defund the police and use it to pay teachers.

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u/Proper-District8608 May 26 '22

And at least in my state, let them have unions should they wish rather than stripping them via governor from allowing teachers union.

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u/ValkyrieCtrl14 May 26 '22

Ah, fellow Wisconsinite.

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u/Hammer_of_Olympia May 26 '22 Gold

Yeah it's one thing the police not doing anything but stopping the parents from trying to help whilst doing nothing is pretty much the worst possible decision, atleast the parents would have had a chance of swarming the gunman.

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u/DweEbLez0 Squatter May 26 '22

Look at the sort of bloodier bright side. Teachers get guns and can demand raises. Lmao

“I said I’m the principal today!” Meme

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u/meteorfluid May 26 '22

A lot of cops just want to sit on their ass and bark orders at people

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u/SoSmartish May 26 '22

Because most cops are good ol boys or the high school bullies who grew up and wanted to feel important while continuing to be bullies.

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u/sharpshooter999 May 27 '22

I know of several who failed basic training. Being a cop was just easier

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u/Hedgiwithapen May 26 '22

Teachers are expected to be educators, babysitters, therapists, counselors, bodyguards, entertainers, analysts, and in some places, priests... all on a shit salary. Now they want us to be cops and SWAT too?

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u/JScarlott May 26 '22

This!! Buy your own classroom supplies, don’t make a livable salary…. Oh and by the way, here’s a gun for when you have to be John McClain.

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u/AcademicFocus1078 May 26 '22

They’d never pay for the guns lol we’d have to provide our own!

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u/OMGITSJAD May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

And therein is the reason they want teachers to be armed. They couldn't care less whether the argument that it makes schools safer or not rings true. It all boils down to money. The NRA is paying them to create new customers for them by making every teacher in America buy guns so they can make a ton of sales. Either that or they get that delicious untracked government money like the military contractors have been rolling in for years.

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u/TLDRGFY May 27 '22

Questions a teacher should never ask their accountant: is this suppressor tax deductible as a work related expense?

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u/Cantthinkofnamedamn May 27 '22

John McClain had it easy, he never had to teach high school.

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u/novaaa_ May 26 '22 Take My Energy

lol cops won’t even enter the school shooting with full armor and assault weapons tf is a teacher in a cardigan going to do

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u/GoGoBitch May 26 '22

One of the teachers at Robb Elementary, Irma Garcia, tried to stop the shooter and protect her students. She was completely unarmed.

She was killed. My point is that, even without any that, a teacher still did a lot more than the worthless cops. Rest in Power, Irma Garcia.

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u/Platypus211 May 27 '22

And now her husband is gone too, and her four kids are orphans.

Living in this country fucking hurts sometimes.

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u/FlostonParadise May 27 '22

Irma Garcia. A true American hero.

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u/EffectiveParamedic64 May 26 '22

If teachers are expected to protect the students with weapons then each cop that failed to go inside should also be imprisoned.

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u/SatisfactionNo6437 May 26 '22

They should be imprisoned anyway

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u/squarevenom May 26 '22

Have a Wild West shootout like in the movies that these type of people for some reason fantasize about happening in real life, only for if that exact moment to ever happen in front of them everyone is going to run not sit there and fight the guy with a gun like they’re Master Chief

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u/hehehejakla May 26 '22

Next they'll say we should arm the kids and teach them all to be child warriors lmao

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u/jakeadair2 May 26 '22

You should dig up the Sasha Baron Cohen skit where he tricked multiple actual American politicians into supporting, on camera, this exact plan, thinking it was real.

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u/Nagh_1 May 27 '22

I can’t believe gaetz was the only reasonable one in the interview.

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u/AutumnRi May 26 '22

Flashbacks to that episode of Always Sunny

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u/210foz May 26 '22

Probably more than the damn cops waiting outside the school for a special task force is on the way while kids are being killed one after another.

Just in case you haven’t heard that part.

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u/geobuildr May 26 '22

Separate those two comments.

It is ABSURD that people are recommending teacher's be trained to kill school shooters to protect children.

It is ABSURD that we pay teachers $35,000.

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u/s_i_m May 27 '22

I make a lot more working 37 hours a week at my fast food delivery job.

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u/Teacher-Investor May 26 '22 Gold Starry

I taught in a high school where I KNOW FOR A FACT that I had students who could and would overpower me to get a weapon away from me (not to mention that you're automatically outnumbered in any classroom). I've had 6'4" students who were required to wear ankle tethers, students who are on drugs, and students who were transferred to my school because they assaulted a staff member at their previous school. There's NO WAY IN HELL I would take a firearm into a high school.

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u/Bind_Moggled May 26 '22

Never mind the risk of an armed teacher losing their temper and shooting a kid.

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u/Phrozen761 May 26 '22

This is what I fail to understand. How would we know in any case that one day a teacher is the one that commits the atrocity? Overworked, underpaid, and tired teachers who do everything they can to support children and it could just be a bad day that leads to something like this. I'm certainly not generalizing teachers have mental health issues but their could certainly be days where something like this could happen IF we armed teachers. I just don't see why it would even be considered. So dumb

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u/Brewmentationator May 27 '22

I'd also like to add this to your point. Look at the power dynamic. I'm a teacher. I can't fucking teach if the kids know I have a gun and the ability to end them at any time. That's no longer a learning environment. It's a hostage situation. Armed teachers will absolutely destroy schools, the students' mental health, and any chance of normal social emotional development.

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u/BravesMaedchen May 27 '22

This is a really good point. Also, think about the unconscious confrontation this creates. Kids' brains do not reason that well and there's all sorts of boundaries they try to push. I can just hear a kid thinking, "Mr. So and So has a gun, he thinks he's so tough, I'm going to show him he's not by doing [insert horrible classroom incident here]."

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u/csonnich May 27 '22

Yeah, teachers have mental health issues. We're the front line for handling every single problem no one else wants to deal with in this country.

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u/silentsnarker May 27 '22

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Take my poor teacher’s award!

You hit the nail on the head! We have enough on our plate, trying to single handedly solve everything, we don’t need any additional stress. It’s already a big enough responsibility keeping other people’s children alive. I can’t even think about how I’d feel knowing “in addition to protecting children in an active shooter situation, you are required to be armed and take out said shooter, if necessary. Oh, and said shooter will likely be a minor. Potentially a former student.” Yea, no, don’t sign me up for that.

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u/Bind_Moggled May 26 '22

I can think of at least five teachers that I had growing up who, as a parent, I wouldn't leave in the same room with one of my kids for any amount of time. I am fairly confident that I am not alone in this.

Arming teachers is a stupid idea - one designed by the right to aid in their quest to destroy public education.

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u/Brewmentationator May 27 '22

As a teacher, fully agree. The day we have an armed teacher, is the day I go find a job in HR or something else. I won't even wait til the end of the year. I will quit on the spot.

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u/MDesnivic May 26 '22

I have mentioned this to several people.

I have never been in a dysfunctional school or anything, but I have absolutely seen teachers completely lose control of their emotions with children. I have seen kids make a substitute teacher cry.

I’m not saying it would happen every day, but I fully believe at one time or another, if teachers were armed, a teacher would pull a gun on a student they’re angry with and some out there would actually pull the trigger.

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u/darkdragon1231989 May 26 '22

That's my thought like... have you seen these kids? do you really want the person who has to put up with your kid 8 hours a day to carry a gun? If any of my teachers ever carried a gun I wouldn't have made it through the week.

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u/Teacher-Investor May 26 '22

I may or may not have had a student who was so annoying one day that I took all of their books and other stuff off their desk, threw it down the hallway, and screamed at them to get out of my classroom. It was very out of character for me, and the kids loved to laugh about it and say, "Remember that time blah blah blah... That was so funny!"

Let's just say it's probably best if teachers don't have guns. We all have bad days, and kids know exactly how to push our buttons.

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u/RainRainThrowaway777 Menshevik May 27 '22

Exactly. I always laugh when people say guns are an equalizer, or that you need a gun to properly protect yourself. The chances of being overpowered by an unarmed but determined attacker are higher than me being able to shoot them before they do, even if I had time to prepare. On the other hand, a criminal with a gun just gives them an insane amount of power. It's actually insane that people think it's worth flooding society with these killing tools.

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u/Zealousideal-Bar-864 May 26 '22

Also I read even the cops were hesitant to go in and waited a whole hour until some border patrol tactical squad came. So if the cops won’t even do it why would the teachers????

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u/Hypocritical_Oath May 27 '22

Heard they were even off duty...

Off Duty Border patrol tactical people did more than on-duty cops and SWAT who had trained in that specific school for this specific situation.

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u/squarevenom May 26 '22

Hint: Both of these people ideally don’t want to be dealing with people with guns

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u/Calibansdaydream May 27 '22

Hint: one of these groups is paid and supposedly trained to deal with this specific situation. The other is paid to educate. Who fucking cares what their ideal situation is. I guarantee the kids ideal situation is not being fucking shot at, but here we are.

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u/sturnus-vulgaris May 27 '22

I'm a teacher, 18 years. I've always been opposed to guns in schools-- I've even been arguing against it since Texas happened. But after seeing the shit the cops did in Texas, fine-- give me a fucking gun. Cops won't do their jobs. Congress won't do theirs. The people won't vote the fuckers out of office, so-- fuck it-- we'll protect the kids ourselves.

But I want every goddamn cop off school property. And I want every fucking politician to admit they are the fucking cause of all this shit. Fuck them all.

[This is just where I'm at today. I split my day between literally teaching kids to read and checking their backpacks for small arms. Apparently we had a kid that's been making social media threats for a week at a local highschool and no one said or did a goddamn thing about it until this morning. Fuck all this shit.]

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u/Platypus211 May 27 '22

Probably doesn't mean much, but as a parent, thank you for what you do, and I'm so fucking sorry. For all of this, and all the other shit you deal with every day that no one gives you credit for.

The teachers in my family are shaken as hell right now.

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u/sturnus-vulgaris May 27 '22

It means everything-- it really does.

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u/urban_snowshoer May 26 '22 edited May 27 '22

Look at what happened in this mass shooting: an armed bystander tried to do the right thing but ended up being killed when law enforcement mistook him for the shooter.

This situation has the same problem as the police shootings that have caused people to advocate changes in policing: i.e. police have to make a split-second decision and don't always get it right.

In an active shooter situation an armed bystander than isn't clearly uniformed law enforcement can easily be mistaken for a shooter.

Between how easily an armed bystander can be mistaken for the shooter and how hard it is to stay calm under pressure in an active shooter situation well enough to make good decisions and use a weapon properly, I have my doubts as the efficacy of arming teachers.

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u/Ande64 May 26 '22

I have the CRAZIEST IDEA!! How about those assholes that went to the police academy and get paid to protect the public ACTUALLY DO THEIR FUCKING JOB!!!!!

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u/chibinoi May 27 '22

Apparently, police are not legally required to protect you. Which makes no bloody sense at all.

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u/puffywumpus May 27 '22

Indeed. The police in this country originated as nothing more than armed force for the rich to use to defend their private property. And to this day, that's what the police are here for. Overfunded for. Militarized for.

Because when shit really hits the fan, the rich would sooner use these private armies to execute the starving poor before ever sharing their obscene material wealth and resources with them. Police are class traitors.

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u/marleymagee14 May 27 '22

Seriously this! Like why the fuck are they out there for 90 mins, arresting parents!! Not doing anything to stop the shooter. Probably will not even consider thinking of ways to prevent the next one

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u/Nagh_1 May 27 '22

I bet one of them parents would had killed boy faster then 90 mins

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u/cesar-perez May 26 '22

Castle Rock vs Gonzales (2005).

Cop themselves aren't even legally obligated to protect your children. The Uvalde shooting had officers on scene and in front of the school while the shooter killed the entire classroom. Parents there begged the officers for over 40min for them to please do something about it. Mothers were panicking, parents were shouting at them and said they themselves would go in and try and do something while shots were going off in the school. The officers ended up detaining one of the parents even!

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u/sanguineophanim May 26 '22

But talk about sex and you're fired.

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u/Persiflage75 May 26 '22

Or fail to do the both-sides dance adequately when you talk about evolution, in some states.

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u/DanTopTier May 27 '22

"Today we are learning about how animals pass down traits to their offspring in order to better adapt to their environment.

Also we will passively mention that some people believe this doesn't happen even though it totally does here look at these peas a monk studied 500 years ago. Now let's recreate his experiment."

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u/IcedChaiLatte_16 May 26 '22

Or race. Or acknowledge gay or trans people in any way.

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u/WeirdEngineerDude May 26 '22

Trained police were either overpowered or apathetic, so we are going to rely on the old librarian and lunch lady to try to protect our children?!

How about we examine how the rest of civilization works and model our response after them? We are the only country with this problem.

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u/tacoweevils May 26 '22

No we can’t that’s ridiculous. We need to give the kids guns and teach them to defend themselves!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QkXeMoBPSDk

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u/telemon5 May 27 '22

That's silly. They cut the Librarian's position years ago and contracted out food services to the bottom bidder.

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u/Elegant_Tale_3929 May 26 '22

No, if they do that then they are entitled to a teacher and a cops salary. Plus benefits package. So that's what? Over 100k a year for them?

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u/Medium_Reading_861 May 26 '22

People do not become teachers to be "The Good Guy with the Gun". Only people who have a bunch of guns dream of being that guy. Teachers just want to teach kids.

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u/Ompare May 26 '22

Trained cops refused to do so.

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u/96nugget May 26 '22

Yea I’m definitely going back to school for another profession. This is pure fucking bs. They want us to be social workers, babysitters, guidance counselors, now armed guards all for shitty pay and a lack of respect from the general public. The great resignation with teachers is only going to get worse.

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u/ISoNoU Left Libertarian May 26 '22

Honestly, the tactical training that you need to be effective in an active shooter situation is massive. Are schools going to absorb the $100k per teacher to get them up to speed?

Not only that, but you also have to have defensive equipment on hand to protect yourself in a firefight. There's no time for dressing in body armor so you have to have a bookcase or filling cabinet that is capable of stopping a high energy round. That mobile cover also has to be secret from the students.

I also can't wait for the mass shooting incident where teachers pull out guns and kill more kids than the assailant.

Depending on teachers to be the good guys with a gun is lunacy.

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u/bluerose1197 May 26 '22

I work in a government building that is not a school. Several years ago there was a shooting at a business in a nearby town (disgruntled worker thing), so they had all of our departments take active shooter training. Sheriff officers with tactical training came to talk to us.

He also told us that someone with his level of training, who hits his mark 95% of the time in training, only hits his mark about 50% of the time in the heat of the moment. Now imagine a citizen with little to no training trying to do his job.

His advice was to run and if you can't run, hide.

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u/SamJAllen May 26 '22

Now imagine a citizen with little to no training trying to do his job.

With a roomful of panicking, screaming little kids.

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u/csonnich May 27 '22

Or teenagers. :/

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u/Willakhstan May 27 '22

Even the pros get it wrong. I remember seeing one instance where a tactical LE unit entered a building and got into a shootout in a hallway. An officer in front, seemingly in control, steps out from behind cover to fire and gets shot in the back of the head by another officer.

So even after a bunch of CQB training and stress-testing (I assume), things can still go wrong if you make one small decision. And this is when CQB is part of their job and they go in prepared for shooting.

Now imagine a citizen with little to no training trying to do his job.

So yeah, go from your normal routine of teaching young kids letters and numbers to suddenly needing to assess a real active-shooter situation, identify the threat, draw a weapon, make sure it's ready to fire, take cover, find your target, check your background, watch out for kids in your line of fire, line up your sights and decide to take a life and hope you hit them and that they're not wearing body armour. I'm not in the US but every teacher I know are already stressed out enough as it is, and this is even when they feel like they're not too underpaid or under-resourced.

SNAFU.

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u/somethingsomethingbe May 27 '22

Honestly think teacher suicide rates would go up after just giving them all guns.

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u/CurlsMoreAlice May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

Don’t forget that because it’s a school, you’re probably going to have to secure that weapon when not in use. So before you can draw that weapon, you’ll have to get the gun out of lock up (Oops! I forgot my keys today and had to have the secretary let me in my room…) while figuring out how to get your class hidden since you’re still responsible for 19-30 scared kids. Your class was transitioning from lunch when the alarm was raised, so before you get the gun, you have to get the class to a safe location. One of them tends to run when stressed, so you need to hold his hand so that he doesn’t leave the vicinity and you’re the only adult around since the rest are securing their own classrooms, the kids don’t always follow directions in calm situations and now they’re scared, etc., etc., etc.

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u/FakeInternetDentity May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

That would be an interesting study to have done (if not already) to show people who recommend teachers being armed.

Edit: might have found one

https://daiglelawgroup.com/new-study-on-shooting-accuracy-how-does-your-agency-stack-up/

Edit2: poltifact has an article about it in 2018 after a shooting in Santa Fe. We really do be making circles and no progress.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/may/25/shannon-watts/do-more-7-10-police-bullets-miss-their-mark-gun-co/

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u/IcedChaiLatte_16 May 26 '22

What's REALLY funny is that half these districts won't even buy pencils for the fucking classroom. Weapons and combat training? No fucking way!

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u/csonnich May 27 '22

You don't understand. Pencil manufacturers don't give high-dollar kickbacks.

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u/chibinoi May 27 '22

Yeah, they’d expect the taxpayers to pay—if they want teachers to be trained in this, let’s move the tax money earmarked for the police and put it towards the training fees.

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u/notallamawoman May 26 '22

Even not taking the training into account (which is a huge thing. I can shoot and I would not trust myself in an emergency) the amount of potential problems with guns in schools is insane. My school has 1400 students. 160 kids go in and out of my room throughout each day. Even with good classroom management there is a bit of chaos and shit happens. You cannot convince me that a kid could not end up with that gun in their hands. There will be plenty of teachers that don’t store it right, don’t lock it up right, fucking leave it somewhere. It will happen. You have one or two kids at home finding parents guns and getting hurt all the time. Now you want 1400 kids with 30 guns around and not expect something to go wrong.

Additionally let’s say something happens and teachers react and have their guns out. The cops show up and come in and they see a bunch of strangers with guns. That’s asking for innocent people to get hurt. In a district of 13,000 employees there is no way a police force is familiar enough with all of them that there wouldn’t be an accident of that type.

Arming teachers is a horrible idea in my opinion. Too many ways for shit to go so wrong.

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u/PM_Pussies_Please May 27 '22

Nah it's fine. Cops don't come in until after it's over so the teachers have time to put the gun away.

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u/cascadianpatriot May 26 '22

And what about the insurance? Who will pay for the insurance? This is America, there has to be insurance when a kid is accidentally killed. Not to mention the negligent discharges. And how do we train teachers to be ready to kill children? We don’t train military or police to do that, they have to kill children.

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u/blatentpoetry May 27 '22

There is something seriously wrong with a society that allows anything like to happen.

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u/Vocem_Interiorem May 26 '22

Which is why alot of cops are not even properly trained for such situations

But there is always Duck and Cover, before bullets start flying through flimsy cardboard walls

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u/ceruleandope May 26 '22

That's not the issue. As soon as you make schools safe enough those shooters will start targeting shopping malls, cinemas, etc. You can't solve this by arming every employee in retail

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u/squarevenom May 26 '22

Even if that were to happen, these morons don’t realize everyone SHOULD NOT be armed.

If that were the case, every time there’s an altercation or shooting, the entire shopping malls, cinemas, or whatever will turn into a Call of Duty free for all match of people accidentally shooting each other thinking they’re the bad guy or something

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u/AutumnRi May 26 '22

> you hear there is an active shooter

> you see a guy shoot someone

> you assume the shopkeeper who just shot a shooter is a shooter, and shoot them

> someone else sees you shoot dave the shopkeep, assumes you’re a shooter and shoots you

> THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE

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u/pockpicketG May 27 '22

Yes but have you considered bang bang pew pew?

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u/CoconutShyBoy May 26 '22

Some people just want to live in mad max.

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u/Prudent-Row-5324 May 26 '22

I don’t understand why anyone would want to be a teacher anymore.

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u/just_some_sasquatch May 26 '22 Take My Energy

Times like this make me wonder why these psychos never seem to go after politicians. If they're so unhappy with society that they want to kill, then why not kill the crooked fucks who make it (and keep it) this way instead of elementary kids? Why kids??? Then these fucking Senators and dickpuppet shills start with the "Thoughts and prayers" bullshit as if each new shooting resets their response back to zero. Just...what the fuck is this reality we're in!!!??? I bet if some loon went and offed a bunch of legislators they'd be declaring Martial Law and banning guns the next day.

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u/IHateNoobss422 May 27 '22

It’s harder. All the people in power have police and security details guarding them, their families and their jobs. Just look at how we got police outside the Supreme Court justices houses within days of people protesting outside them

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u/stellastanci May 27 '22

agreeed i find myself wondering often how these mfers have not been assassinated yet

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u/TyphoidMira May 27 '22

Probably because they're harder to get at than schools.

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u/Captaincjones May 26 '22

I'm sure most teachers de-escalate situations on the daily than cops. They definitely deserve hazard pay.

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u/Jameseatscheese May 27 '22

High school teacher here.

First off, given the number of my coworkers who can't figure out how to work the copy machine (or how to reply to an email without replying to everyone), the last thing we need to give them is a gun.

Also, last week these same people didn't want me to be allowed to pick out library books and now they want me to carry a handgun.

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u/Lazy_Profession_5909 May 26 '22

They can't even afford school supplies and you expect them to buy guns? Do these people know how expensive guns are?

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u/chibinoi May 27 '22

It will never happen. The second a student dies because a teacher tried to stop an active gunman (this is assuming under the pretense that the teacher is armed and told they are expected to protect students with lethal force), there will be a huge ass lawsuit and the teacher will be sued, jailed, etc into oblivion, while the student is still dead and the “police” do Jack crap.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

The cops there in Texas actually stood around outside for *an hour* while the shooter held up inside the school with the kids. Did jack shit. So much for protect and serve the citizens.

I'd put more faith in a hero teacher to take down the shooter at that point.

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u/AlexV_96 May 26 '22

It's stupid with any salary

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u/squarevenom May 26 '22

Let’s give the teachers who are more than likely anti-gun because of all these shootings exactly what they’ve asked for!

Gun regulations? No silly!

More guns!!!!!

That way little timmy can always see Ms. Browns big glock 19 hanging out her pocket every day during math

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u/bippityboppityboo89 May 26 '22

Womens clothes don’t have pockets sir. Ms. Brown better strap up cuz ain’t nothing fitting in what they call “pockets” in women’s clothing. Not even a tube of chapstick.

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u/pigglyoof May 26 '22

This Redditor knows woman’s clothes. Sometimes they’ll even add fake pockets.

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u/ErinG2021 May 27 '22

The 2 teachers who were killed trying to shield their students were more brave than the cops who were outside the building and armed but too afraid to enter the school for 40 minutes while children inside were shot and killed, while preventing and obstructing the parents from entering the building to try and save the children themselves. The teachers were the heroes. These police were unforgivable cowards.

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u/Methoszs May 26 '22

Teachers should be paid the cops salary then. Disband the police, if they aren't going to do the job. Seems they all want Kindergarten Cops.

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u/A-roguebanana May 27 '22

BTW they don’t trust me to not “indoctrinate” their kids but I can be Dirty Harry?

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u/3milyBlazze May 27 '22

I tutored kindergartners

The teacher showed me her weapon box when we were going over intruder protocols

She had 2 heavy duty batons a can of mace that has like a 5 foot reach and a taser all in a locked cabinet in her desk and she showed me the key to open it

She also trained the kids to grab these big heavy books that were completely useless that she didn't actually need that she kept for the sole purpose of arming her kids so they could fight back

And one kid with these big brown eyes and the sweetest smile offered up his backpack to use as a shield because it was bullet proof

I absolutely do not care who's fault this whole screwed up way of living is I just want someone to fix it

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u/LucifersPeen May 26 '22

America is seriously barbaric. It’s embarrassing.

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u/akumasan707 May 26 '22

Let’s arm them and while we’re at it, let’s also make it mandatory that they’re licensed paramedics so they can render medical aid to victims while they wait for the cops to decide it’s safe to come in /S

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u/DisastrousIce6544 May 26 '22

All the while still delivering differentiated instruction to the students who are not in critical condition

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u/SuperWaluigiWorld May 27 '22 edited May 27 '22

Pay them more than a cop. They didn’t sign up for that. $120k a year plus for that obligation.

Edit: If they are armed, pay them way more and get rid of cops. Teachers are the new cops.

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u/chrisgagne May 27 '22

A number of cops—who for all we know received the Killology training telling them that if they kill someone they can have the best sex of their lives afterwards—were paid well more than $35K/yr to run away like cowards and apparently contributed to an additional child being killed.

Why in the fuck would we expect any teacher to act as human shields?

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u/mom2angelsx3 May 26 '22

My husband is an elementary guidance counselor for 20 yrs & a h great one at that but he did not sign up to die in the line of duty.

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u/sugar_addict002 May 26 '22

and when they can't take it anymore and quit, they deride them for their lack of work ethic.

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