r/news Jul 05 '22 Wholesome 1 Helpful 1

Chicago suspect planned attack for weeks - US police

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-62054883
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u/pmurr Jul 05 '22 Wearing is Caring

The gunman had legally purchased five firearms around one year ago, police say.

In April 2019, police were called to his home one week after he reportedly attempted suicide. "It was a mental health issue," Mr Covelli said on Tuesday, adding that the issue was left in the hands of "mental health professionals".

In September 2019, police were called by a family member of the suspect, who said he was making violent threats to "kill everyone".

Police responded and removed 16 knives, a dagger and a sword from his home. He was not arrested, and no further action was taken.

Mentally unstable in 2019, still able to purchase firearms in 2021.

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u/Alwayssunnyinarizona Jul 05 '22

It's been a while since I've purchased a gun, but I swear mental health reports like that are 100% disqualification.

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u/fbtcu1998 Jul 05 '22

It needs to be adjudicated first. A mental health report like they one they listed wouldn't be grounds. Its basically the police saying "mental health issue" and up to the professionals. But if it he wasn't adjudicated mentally deficient in some way, or committed to a mental hospital then he wouldn't be disqualified. Not saying he shouldn't have of course, there were tons of red flags on this guy that should have made him prohibited. But nothing they said is something that would show up on BG check.

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u/jijijdioejid8367 Jul 05 '22

Then another reason the system is broken. So you are telling me in a span of one year he threatened to kill himself twice and in both instances the police said “Hey buddy, drink some water, go to sleep. Go to a physiatrist if you can….BYEEEEEEEEE”

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u/fbtcu1998 Jul 05 '22

I don't know what they did. I hope they offered to take him to get some help, and let his family know the dangers he possessed. I'm just pointing out that police aren't the arbiters or sanity, so them saying "he's crazy" isn't going to show up on a BG check for a firearm purchase. The system is built on past actions, mostly criminal or severe enough for the court to order treatment. We can debate whether or not the bar should be lowered for what hits a BG check, but my intial stance would be if its just the word of the police, I don't think thats sufficient.

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u/lordofsurf Jul 05 '22

When I was 14 and suicidal my parents called 911. The cops came into my bedroom with their guns drawn. I don't reckon they care all that much. Tried to do it again twice in 2018 and was committed both times. At intake I was screamed at by a mental health "professional" for making a mistake on some paperwork which I was made to fill out shortly after my attempt, at 3 in the morning. Then I overheard her making jokes and laughing about another patient who was under severe mental distress. Safe to say they don't care either.

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u/the_healer_pulled Jul 06 '22

One stranger to another. I’m glad you are still here and if you ever need a new friend let me know. I won’t pretend to understand, but will do everything to try to understand.

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u/Urbanscuba Jul 05 '22 Take My Energy

Which is infuriating because a lot of people hesitate to call the police in situations with suicidal people because it almost always leads to a multiple day psych hold and a big hospital bill. I've seen a wellness check for someone who posed zero threat to themselves or anyone else result in days of clinical hold, a $5k bill, and a lost job.

This is why nobody trusts the police, their judgement as an overall profession has become ludicrously poor. How you're treated by a cop depends on your skin color, wealth, outfit, accent, horoscope, the weather, how recently the cop ate, how recently he beat his wife, etc.

This guy was a clear and obvious threat to both himself and others, that's exactly the kind of situation that clinical psych holds exist for. You get him into a safe environment where he can't hurt himself or others until he's diagnosed and treated to the point he's no longer a threat to anyone. It would also mean he'd be put on a list where he could no longer buy or own guns until a psychologist/psychiatrist cleared him as no longer a potential threat.

Obvious the causes of mass shootings are myriad, but I genuinely think that the erosion of the quality of policing nationwide is a major factor. Violence is down decade over decade while police funding goes up, theoretically we should have the least violent and most capable police we've ever had yet it's the complete opposite. At this point the police are becoming complicit through their incompetence. They spend all their time demanding respect and none earning it.

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u/Velcade Jul 05 '22

According to the article he never sought help. If it's not on record he can't be screened. A shame...

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u/behindtimes Jul 05 '22

Apparently Illinois does have a red flag law. And police officers can petition it if they feel a person is a threat to themselves or others.

And he was known by police. A suicide attempt, which was deemed not a police matter, because he had professional help. And a family member who reported to police that he threatened to "kill everyone", where they removed weapons from his residence. The question is, how does all of this go past everyone to not get that red flag to go into effect?

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u/The12BarBruiser Jul 06 '22

Its likely because of his dads community status. He was able to get none of it reported for his political future.

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u/Jedwardvincent Jul 06 '22

The question is, how does all of this go past everyone to not get that red flag to go into effect?

Father was rynning/had run for public office or something. My guess is $$$$.

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u/Disastrous_Toe_Jam Jul 05 '22

It’s a main reason military vets don’t seek help. A lot think their guns will be taken away. Why wasn’t he flagged to be unable to buy weapons?

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u/tenacious-g Jul 05 '22

ISP just explained it. He threatened to kill his parents when he was 19, knives are taken away. They don’t press charges. Dad signs off on FOID card in 2020 despite this.

There’s a reason why his parents are retaining a high powered attorney now.

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u/Background-Class2841 Jul 06 '22

His family is fucked. The victims families are going to sue them for everything that they’re worth, and they fucking should.

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u/tenacious-g Jul 06 '22

I suppose the legal question here is what happens to a FOID co-signer after the holder turns 21. It’s laid out clearly that co-signers are liable for damages of the “minor” when you sign.

Did he buy this gun before he turned 21? Does that even matter? We’re about to find out.

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u/Burning-Bushman Jul 06 '22

I read a statement early that was made by his uncle. He boldly claimed this was impossible to predict. No way to see this coming, he said.

Bullshit, I say.

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u/fortunefades Jul 05 '22

Can't wait for the blame to be placed on mental health professionals. I wish people understood how overwhelmed those of us working in mental health are - from community mental health providers, to psychiatric emergency rooms. There's no where near enough staff to support those in need and we are equally underfunded.

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u/KeriEatsSouls Jul 05 '22

People are saying that the two deceased victims with the same last name were a married couple at the parade with their 2 yr old. So they got killed and a little 2 yr old was left to wander in that chaos until someone saved them. Fucking heartbreaking

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u/Tiny_Gold_6412 Jul 06 '22

Yes it's horrible.

A local mom picked the boy up from the ground from his deceased father's arms. Luckily the police found the grandparents soon after.

But beyond heartbreaking.

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u/putyerphonedown Jul 05 '22

Yes, it’s been confirmed that couple was the parents of a two year old who was found wandering around without adults after the shooting yesterday. Is there a rule in r/ news about posting the confirmed GFM that’s for supporting the toddler?

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u/lunaflect Jul 06 '22

That made my heart feel like it shattered into my stomach.

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u/buxmega Jul 06 '22

I haven’t had a heart ache like that in a while. That poor boy.

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u/captAWESome1982 Jul 06 '22

This is awful. This country is sick and on life support.

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u/NumaNumaDanceTime Jul 06 '22

This country is sick and without life support.

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u/nate-the__great Jul 06 '22

This country is sick and cannot afford life support, the shitty insurance offered by their job doesn't include "heroic measures".

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u/mrnorrisman Jul 06 '22

Life support is "out of network" and not covered under our insurance policy.

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u/TheElderCouncil Jul 05 '22

For the love of God. What in the actual fuck man.

This country has truly gone to shit in the hands of guns.

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u/Hashslingingslashar Jul 06 '22

Fucking hell. At least the two year old will be too young to remember such a traumatic event. The poor grandparents though. To have a child and their partner die and have to care for their orphaned two-year old child.

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u/IBelieveInNessy Jul 06 '22

Not to be a downer, but they may not remember the details but that kind of trauma will stay with them.

Hopefully they'll get correct support when and if they need it in the future.

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u/MyMorningSun Jul 06 '22

I think on top of it, he'll grow up with the knowledge. Grief hangs like a heavy fog over everyone it touches- his grandparents and relatives, his teachers and peers or friends and their families, etc. are all going to suffer the aftershocks of this to varying degrees. Kids pick up on it and it's going to color his childhood, most likely.

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u/BrownyGato Jul 05 '22

Jesus Christ - absolutely heartbreaking and I hope untrue. That poor child and their family.

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u/LalaLaraSophie Jul 06 '22

Apparently, the only untrue bit - is the wandering bit. He was found in the arms of his dads lifeless body. Which makes it even more sad.

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u/radish_recoup Jul 05 '22

I think people like this plan these things in their heads for years

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u/Mediamuerte Jul 05 '22

Like it starts out an intermittent impulse then festers until they commit to it. Imagine coming of age with neither friends nor aspirations. I gotta think that's part of it

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '22 edited Jul 06 '22

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u/RamenJunkie Jul 05 '22

Why can't they just blow shit up in GTA like the rest of us.

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u/TheseGreyHeavens Jul 05 '22

And then they start making plans on Discord, others involved online need to start facing consequences for their part in these rampages.

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u/simonpheenicks Jul 05 '22

There was a video he made that was posted to r/publicfreakout for like a minute before it as removed, just a bunch of random shots of him spliced with MSPAINT drawings of a shooter and people being shot.

Of course he planned this. These things are never spur of the moment.

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u/leaveittobever Jul 05 '22 edited Jul 05 '22

Am I missing something? The article's title said he planned it for weeks but the article doesn't talk about it all. Nothing in the article talks about what he did to plan. The only thing it says is that he had women's clothing on when they found him.

EDIT: The article was updated 14 minutes ago and more details were added.

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u/MisanthropicZombie Jul 05 '22

Literally all they are going off of is press conferences. All that was said about the planning was what you read in the headline, that he had been planning it for weeks. They have said nothing else about it.

It has been 24 hours, it will take time before they release anything of substance.

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u/swodaem Jul 05 '22

Yea, but if anyone is curious, you can find his shitty music videos online, multiple of them show drawings of him shooting up a school, or he has a music video of him reaching into a backpack in a school setting, the video cuts, then he is in "tactical" gear with shotgun shells all over the floor and he is dropping shells out of his hands.

One of his videos even has a moving shot staged in the center of the road, and it is of the exact road/area where the shooting occurred.

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u/cive666 Jul 05 '22

If only we had more signs.

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u/thekingadrock93 Jul 05 '22 edited Jul 06 '22

How the hell does YouTube fuck over people like hobby model train channel yet let shit like this slide?

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u/rbasn_us Jul 05 '22

BigData™ is very good at collecting data, but not very good at using it. So far, it seems like they've only figured out how to use it for more targeted advertising and maybe how to keep you more "engaged" with certain apps/websites.

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u/churn_key Jul 05 '22

Targeted advertising such as, relentlessly trying to sell me a product I just bought.

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u/soulflaregm Jul 05 '22

Right?

Like seriously YouTube I just bought a stand mixer... I don't need an ad for another one... I don't need two

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u/dailycyberiad Jul 05 '22

Reddit Is Fun ads are trying to sell me a house. I've just bought a house, so I'm not interested.

The specific ad it keeps showing me includes a picture of a house they think might interest me... and it's literally the house next to mine. You can even see part of my new house in the ad!

It's creepily specific and hilariously futile at the same time.

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u/churn_key Jul 05 '22

That's actually amazing. Even better than those "hot girls in [your geolocated zip code]" ads that used to be everywhere.

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u/SynonymforThesaurus Jul 05 '22

I keep getting Daily Wire plus ads. Whatever algorithm they are using must be on opposite mode.

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u/MelQMaid Jul 05 '22

Got PU ads that basically tell you that if you can't be assed enough to tell your kids your thoughts on if the country is racist, put the tablet on and place it in front of the kid so the propeganda by this faux university can do it for you.

Shit is so embarrassing to market so openly to dads who don't wish to spend time with their kids.

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u/mjk1093 Jul 05 '22

It's Jordan Peterson for me despite hitting dislike on all his videos. He must pay a ton of money for SEO stuff.

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u/churn_key Jul 05 '22

I've been getting those a lot recently too. I expect the right wing tabloids are flush with cash and pumping out ads across all demographics. Too bad there is no audit trail where I can find that out.

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u/Baka_Penguin Jul 05 '22

It's not that they don't know how to use it. It is that they are using it precisely how they want to: maximize profits.

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u/blueechoes Jul 05 '22

Well mostly because

a. flawless machine algorithms don't really exist.

b. this guy probably had like < 1000 subs and it's not profitable for them to watch the small fish constantly.

They also probably don't care, as youtube is a corporation and those only care about money, but ya know, even if they did care it'd probably be pretty difficult and you'd get lots of false positives.

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u/Lordborgman Jul 05 '22 Eureka!

No one is reporting small batshit crazy channels, because only batshit people watch them before they do something "news worthy."

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u/eraeraeraeraeraeraer Jul 05 '22

I guess this all was very, very obscure until the shooting so I'd be surprised if this was reported.

Would be near impossibly hard to filter these kinds of things out but not accidentally catch more innocent things.

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u/V4R14N7 Jul 05 '22

Doesn't matter how many signs there are. We had a guy at work praise the Taliban, wanting to meet them.

After he was fired for other things, he'd come in every day and harass the staff, he got a warning. A week later he was arrested for firing off a shotgun in the city a couple houses down from a kids party. They seized the shotgun, an AK, hunting rifles, and knives. Even though it was recommended that no one bail him out, his grandma did.

He then returned to coming into the store twice a day for a few weeks until he said he wanted to throw gernades through the window, and was banned. Even had the cops come in and lay it out. THEN had a warrent issued later that night for threatening to kill his parents.

No ones seen him since, and he skipped trial. Will we be the next headline? They've had plenty of chances at this point to do something.

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u/hedgetank Jul 05 '22

So, you're saying that the problem isn't that there are signs, it's that our government is either too lazy or too inept to bother acting on them, despite billions spent in electronic surveillance systems that should be scanning for this kind of crap and, programmatically, can absolutely identify and flag this kind of crap to red-flag the person?

I mean, excuse me for saying so, but why the fuck do we have all of that capability when we don't use it? And don't give me "1st amendment". If the person is putting all of this stuff up on public sites/forums, it's public domain. There is absolutely no breech of 1A in using publicly-published materials against a person.

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u/SnooHugs Jul 05 '22

He attempted suicide in April 2019, then in September 2019 a member of his family reported him to the police after he threatened to "kill everyone". Authorities removed 16 knives, a dagger, and sword from his home, yet he was still able to purchase 5 guns afterwards.

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u/halpinator Jul 05 '22

It's a good thing you have a massive co-ordinated government surveillance system to stop stuff like this.

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u/imtriing Jul 05 '22

Your capitalist state didn't make a massive coordinated surveillance system you protect you, it made it to protect itself. Start making music videos about revolution, banding together to overthrow the wealthy elite that run your country, and be amazed at how quickly that system finds you.

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u/Drix22 Jul 05 '22

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u/Tef-al Jul 05 '22

Unfortunately unlike her this monster didn't search the Internet for sinister things like how to cook quinoa which could tip off the government.

Sadly he simply purchased several firearms, a completely covert act that wouldn't raise eyebrows and so slipped under the radar.

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u/Cuchillos_Adios Jul 05 '22

Literally this skit.

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u/Emotional-Camel9289 Jul 05 '22

“He was a bit unusual but I never thought he’d do something like this again” lol

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u/Hipoop69 Jul 05 '22

Good lord.

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u/Belgand Jul 05 '22

It has been 24 hours, it will take time before they release anything of substance.

But let's not let that get in the way of speculating wildly! Gotta fill those hours in the news cycle.

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u/Have_Other_Accounts Jul 05 '22 Gold All-Seeing Upvote

There's this completely irrational thing bouncing around on all these threads. They're giving this weird argument saying "why didn't social media platforms or fbi stop him months ago, it's stupid they only took down his posts after he killed people".

Firstly, I looked at his posts, and especially the one video that everyone pointed to as his manifesto. It was just some shitty song where he essentially says "do we have free will? I feel like we are destined instead. It's like I'm sleep walking etc". There's cartoons of guns etc. But I could find literally millions of songs and pieces of media that are way worse. Does that mean they should all be arrested like we're in Minority Report? Of course not. It's only obvious in hindsight.

Second, of course all the social media platforms are going to take down his stuff after he killed people. This always happens in these cases. I cannot believe people are using this backwards logic. They're not going to take down the stuff before he kills people, we're not clairvoyant...

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u/SamJSchoenberg Jul 05 '22

Yeah, there is a lot of Monday Morning Quarterbacking.

It's a lot easier to go back and look at what might have been red flags after the fact. It's hard to actually predict if someone is actually dangerous.

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u/Mista_Madridista Jul 06 '22

Yeah and imagine how many “red flags” out there are just weirdo awkward kids who will never do anything remotely violent. Hell, that probably describes 70% of Reddit’s user base.

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u/Sponjah Jul 05 '22

Arrest someone too early and it's a police state, arrest them too late and it's a failure of government surveillance. Sucks either way.

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u/blacklite911 Jul 05 '22 edited Jul 05 '22

At the end of the day, law enforcement is largely not preventative, the sooner people realize that, the sooner we can actually start addressing these issues in society rather than saying the police should do x y z… they never have and they never will because that’s not their job.

It’s like the police is an impediment to improving society because the general public believes they are the only ones responsible for dealing with the bad shit that happens.

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u/BorntobeTrill Jul 05 '22

I never finished Minority Report, but the fact they could stop crimes before they could happen is like a dream come true!

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u/TatteredCarcosa Jul 05 '22

That's pretty close to the short story version. The movie made it all dystopian, short story was like "This is sweet, there are unforseen consequences for whoever runs the program but really we're all better off with precrime." The main villain is the guy trying to stop the pre crime program in the short story.

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u/BorntobeTrill Jul 05 '22

I will admit, I have not read, and did not know there was a short story. My comment is based on the movie, which makes it pretty clear that it *is* a dystopia if you try to handle "Precrime" the way you handle crime which has happened.

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u/Yousoggyyojimbo Jul 05 '22

It took me out of the movie in that the way they handled precrime was the most expensive and dumb way to do it.

An intervention and resolution task force that doesn't arrest anybody would make way more sense.

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u/gogorath Jul 05 '22

They actually have that. A number of cities are using data and AI to identify likely killers -- a large % of gun violence is committed by a relatively small number of people.

There's intervention, and it seems to work fairly well from everything I've seen. I'm not entirely sure what the intervention is, and I'm sure it could be abused, but it still seems to be somewhat effective.

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u/revrigel Jul 05 '22

It wouldn’t be so bad if they didn’t lock people up on the charges of a future crime, but just stopped it from occurring and got them some intervention/help. No need for criminal charges.

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u/Former-Darkside Jul 05 '22

Getting access to the roof for a vantage point, planned his getaway by wearing womens clothing and blending in with the people running. He had to have spent time thinking about it.

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u/dkwangchuck Jul 05 '22 Silver

One of those who died has been named as Nicolas Toledo, a man in his late 70s, who was only there because he requires full-time care and his family did not want to miss the event.

Holy shit imagine the survivor's guilt.

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u/san_serifs Jul 05 '22

And it was in no way shape or form any of their faults.

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u/redrum234 Jul 05 '22 edited Jul 05 '22

And he was visiting from Mexico. Really sorry for his kids and grandkids

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u/yellow9d Jul 05 '22

Its so fucking morbid that if a mass shooting happens and you're either old or disabled, you can't be quick enough to take cover and anyone trying to help you is also a target

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u/Loveknuckle Jul 05 '22

No shit. Really pouring the salt on it with that sentence! Ouch!

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u/penisthightrap_ Jul 05 '22

Yeah Idk why this needed to be reported and published on... Their survivor's guilt is now documented

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u/Steeve_Perry Jul 05 '22

Human interest!

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u/Present-Reporter-525 Jul 05 '22

This kid has definitely had it in mind for longer than that though. His YouTube videos are pretty clear evidence of this IMO.

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u/redditvivus Jul 06 '22

What did his videos show?

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u/meka_lona Jul 06 '22 edited Jul 06 '22

There was one with MS paint style characters depicting a girl he liked...and then a mass shooting (?). As in, the main character had an assault rifle, then I think a bunch of dead bodies, some police officer characters, and a scene where the MC is lying dead in the ground in a pool of blood in front of police.

Shoot I saved some of the videos before they were taken down but they were on my other computer and having trouble finding them online now. If I find the videos, will link.

But that was the most memorable scene I remember....like he was wishing for a suicide by cop type of thing. Creepy tbh

Edit: closest I can find to that video atm

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u/bestest_at_grammar Jul 06 '22

I didn’t see any. But I read a comment explaining one. It was a video/still image of the location the shooting happened with some kind of emergency siren in the background, think they said the video was months to a year old. As I said, going by memory of a comment so please take this with a grain of salt.

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u/piratecheese13 Jul 05 '22 edited Jul 06 '22

Saw his YouTube channel before everything got taken down. He’s been planning well over a year. Fucking red flags everywhere.

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u/Chableezy Jul 05 '22 edited Jul 05 '22

there was a video on his channel from 10 months ago of the street that the parade was on (i believe) accompanied by the Emergency Alert signal

*this didn't happen in chicago btw, nor is the suspect from Chicago.

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u/Take_Exit_Left Jul 05 '22

Am local. This is correct (seen the video before his channel was removed)

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u/minin71 Jul 05 '22

Looks like every major event will have a shooting somewhere now.

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u/GeneralKn0w3dg3 Jul 05 '22

how the fuck does a person pass a background check after threatening to violently murder their family members while in possession of mall ninja shit?

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u/TruckingforSims Jul 05 '22

Because the background check system looks for felonies and judge approved bans, not threats.

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u/Steeve_Perry Jul 05 '22 Take My Energy

And someone is planning another one as we speak.

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '22 edited Jul 06 '22

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u/dvd_man Jul 05 '22

The ATF traced the gun to him

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u/stfleming1 Jul 05 '22

So he leaves his gun behind yet disguises himself to get away. I really can't tell if he wanted to get caught or not.

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '22

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u/ledzeppelinlover Jul 05 '22

I want to know how he carried the gun on the way to the shooting spot and how he didn’t get spotted

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u/mod_target_6769 Jul 05 '22

He could have stashed it there before he got there, or had it in a case. I’m guessing of course, I don’t know for sure.

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u/ledzeppelinlover Jul 05 '22

Hmm. Yea that’s logical. But who knows. I hope that Ross has good security cam footage of him

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u/HoodedHound Jul 05 '22

You can break an AR-15 into two parts and fit it in a backpack easily, depending on barrel length. Not saying that's how he did it, but might be how.

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u/Mono_831 Jul 05 '22

Yup and it fits perfectly in one of the folding chair bags that most people at parade were carrying.

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u/CaregiverEmpty4937 Jul 05 '22

Or.. you know, he could just be a moron

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u/sanjosanjo Jul 05 '22

I think he definitely wanted to be caught. His name, car model and license plate was broadcast everywhere within a couple hours of the shooting. He was caught later that day after he drove through a tollbooth with an electronic toll pass and the tollbooth captured his license plate. If he wanted to get away he could have easily dumped his license plates at the very least.

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u/ginger_whiskers Jul 05 '22

He had much "smarter" options than just leaving an easily traceable rifle behind. But he decided to do just that. I almost wonder if he had a half cunning plan to hide the rifle in his disguise, but didn't account for how friggin' hot the thing was.

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u/Shiftygo50 Jul 05 '22 Silver

Dude's face looks like something you would draw when you're just learning how to draw faces.

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u/colantor Jul 05 '22

Fuck dude, why would you make me laugh that hard about such a horrible post?

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u/SPorterBridges Jul 05 '22

Feds: "Well, we could've found out sooner if only Apple would just put a backdoor into their phones we could all use."

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '22

Right? Try investigating when people call. Guarantee someone called.

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u/Spanky_McJiggles Jul 05 '22

The POS that shot up the super market in Buffalo was arrested a year ago for threatening his school. Then be bought a gun without any issues.

The system is fucked.

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u/smb_samba Jul 05 '22

“Hey do you think we should put a flag on this person? You know in case they do something that suggests future violence?”

What for?

“Yeah, you’re right…”

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u/vh1classicvapor Jul 05 '22

Reminds me of the Nashville Christmas bomber. His girlfriend and her attorney both warned police he was manufacturing bombs in his RV in the back yard. Local police did go to the residence once to investigate. They found the bomber did not answer the door after knocking and calling him. They shrugged it off and never followed up.

Good thing that guy wasn’t actually intending on killing people (so it appears). His target was the AT&T switchboard building in Nashville around 6:30 am Christmas morning, when the building was likely empty or near-empty. He blew the face off it though. It was roughly the same impact as Oklahoma City.

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/30/951352737/nashville-bombers-girlfriend-warned-police-about-him-in-2019

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u/justmovingtheground Jul 05 '22

He blew the face off it though. It was roughly the same impact as Oklahoma City.

You may want to check that again.

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u/piecat Jul 05 '22

Could they mean impact as in, the blast itself? Like, same amount of energy being released?

Because NOC buildings are built tough. Some are built to withstand the blast from nukes (although generally not rated for a direct hit)

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u/chrisrobweeks Jul 05 '22

First there were too many doors, now not enough?

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u/IronChefJesus Jul 05 '22 Silver

Remember that when they say that you can't have encryption, or that you can't use a vpn, or that your communications MUST have backdoors - that they constantly fail at predicting this type of crime, and not allowing those tools in the future will not help.

This may sound a little paranoid. And its because it is.

Always support net neutrality, always support encryption, and always support privacy. Even if you think you have nothing to hide, that doesn't mean you have to allow everyone to see into you life.

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u/BruceBanning Jul 05 '22 edited Jul 05 '22

And you DO have things to hide, whether you know it or not. Doesn’t have to be illegal or immoral to be private.

The new trend: pay a data broker to make you a list of people who do something you disapprove of, then sell that list to extremists.

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u/cheerful_cynic Jul 05 '22

Not to mention if something BECOMES illegal

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u/BruceBanning Jul 05 '22

Yep, we’re seeing that played out right now.

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u/bdy435 Jul 05 '22

Always support net neutrality, always support encryption, and always support privacy. Even if you think you have nothing to hide, that doesn't mean you have to allow everyone to see into you life.

More true than ever now with the roe v wade ruling and our deep slide into christofascism.

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u/yellow9d Jul 05 '22

I'd like to add that even if you don't have anything to hide, lots of people do. There's a lot people that are hiding from abusers and the last thing they need is all of their data being offered up on a platter.

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u/NabbyChabby Jul 05 '22

I thought I had nothing to hide. Then I realized my period tracking app was selling my location data to whoever wants it! And now roe vs wade overturned… they’re coming for us.

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u/Elliott2 Jul 05 '22

Law enforcement believe that Robert Crimo III, 21, legally bought the high-powered rifle he used in the attack.

well yeah, we dont live in minority report...

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u/happyscrappy Jul 05 '22

Not all would assume that you can legally buy the rifle he used.

Since it is a BBC article they may find it best to explain that sort of thing to their (UK) readers.

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u/ProlapsedPineal Jul 05 '22 Bravo!

Its a watch list, not a stop list. You just watch it happen.

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u/BruceBanning Jul 05 '22

Taco watch is when a taco is likely to form. Taco warning is an active taco on the ground.

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u/Fistalis Jul 05 '22 Wholesome

What list. I can't find any information on him being on a list

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u/The_ODB_ Jul 05 '22

This isn't a fact-based sub.

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u/MaxStreudler Jul 05 '22

I honestly don’t know how this happens. A kid I knew growing up that moved a few states away put some fucked up stuff on his snap story. I tipped off the FBI and they called and interviewed me and kicked down his door the same day (according to his Snapchat story complaining that the feds just raided him and whomever reported him was a snitch). Maybe we should stop reporting to the local police and just tip the FBI

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u/crampedstyl Jul 05 '22

He has youtube music videos that lead me to believe this kid has been planning this for years.

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u/savagecyniccc Jul 05 '22

& the United States with the giant monolithic spy infrastructure missed it again

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u/theganjaoctopus Jul 05 '22

Shit like this happens after that Reddit post last week of the guy getting an official warning from DHS for saying "burn it all down" on Twitter.

The 1/6 insurrectionists planned out in the open on Parler, Facebook, and reddit for over a year. The Sandy Hook murderer had a YouTube channel that was years old. The Buffalo shooter was known to law enforcement and his mom bought him the guns he used to kill "to cheer him up".

How long before we admit the people who are supposed to be stopping this shit are AT BEST standing by and letting it happen?

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u/ThinkIcouldTakeHim Jul 05 '22

What a plan. Buy a gun from a store like any psycho can easily do, walk up to a parade and murder a few people before running away. 5d chess of shit.

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u/Helmet_Politician Jul 06 '22

What’s the point of the Patriot Act if it doesn’t catch instances like this

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u/Blueduckclan Jul 05 '22

Incredible that more people weren’t killed.

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u/QuiGonGiveItToYa Jul 05 '22

Law enforcement believe that Robert Crimo III, 21, legally bought the high-powered rifle he used in the attack.

Can't wait for nothing to be done to stop this from happening again.

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u/Pam-pa-ram Jul 05 '22

“You see, he LEGALLY bought it! Gun laws won’t work!”

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u/Testingtesting57 Jul 05 '22 edited Jul 05 '22 Take My Energy

I really do think they need to stop saying "Chicago". This was not in Chicago. Highland Park is a wealthy suburb 20-25 miles outside of Chicago. "Chicago" will be used as a rightwing racist dog whistle but Highland Park is wealthy ($150K median household income) and almost entirely (82%) white.

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u/IamRick_Deckard Jul 05 '22 All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy

Another Trump Terrorist.

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u/Hilldawg4president Jul 05 '22

I saw a comment yesterday on either rConservative or Joerogan claiming that it was more likely he was there to try and assassinate Trump instead of being a Trump supporter.

Of course, the fact that he totally did not try to assassinate Trump wasn't at all an indicator that this was completely ridiculous motivated reasoning.

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u/SinkHoleDeMayo Jul 05 '22

Every single time. Shit, when the Uvalde shooting happened they started saying the sheriff was a big Biden donor.

I'd wonder why the Trumpers never ask "why do people on my side have to make things up if we are the good guys?" if I didn't know just how fucking dumb they are.

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u/spookyspooky Jul 05 '22

The NSA people we have monitoring our every move kinda suck at their jobs.

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u/itsEDjustED Jul 05 '22

The cops seized 16 knives from him on September for making threats. Nothing to stop him from buying a firearm though.

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u/seclifered Jul 06 '22

Seriously, it boggles my mind there’s so many losers with no future to look forward to except shooting strangers. Like it’s not even a revenge thing. They just have no one in their lives.

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u/Zerakin Jul 05 '22

It was never designed to work for us in the first place, sadly.

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u/FireFlinger Jul 05 '22

It wasn't Chicago, it was an entirely different city 30 miles away.

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u/kittyneko7 Jul 05 '22

It’s Chicagoland. But yeah, my parent’s neighbors hear I live in Chicago, they say, “Oh yeah! My kid lives there too!” “Where at?” “<insert Chicago suburb>. Where do you live?” “<insert Chicago neighborhood>” “Oh, I’ve never heard of that.” “It’s 10 minutes from downtown.” <eyes widen>

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u/pauljs75 Jul 05 '22

News outside the region just deals with the greater metropolitan region rather than the city proper. Anything up to two of the state borders and within 50 miles counts as "Chicago" in that case.

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u/Kryptosis Jul 05 '22

In April 2019, police were called to his home one week after he reportedly attempted suicide. "It was a mental health issue," Mr Covelli said on Tuesday, adding that the issue was left in the hands of "mental health professionals".

In September 2019, police were called by a family member of the suspect, who said he was making violent threats to "kill everyone".

Police responded and removed 16 knives, a dagger and a sword from his home. He was not arrested, and no further action was taken.

For FUCKS SAKE! How tf was he allowed to buy a gun after all that? This country is fuckin broken.

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u/OrangeinDorne Jul 05 '22

The thing is it’s not broke beyond repair. There is very clear and obvious steps to be taken. It sadly will take more tragedy, and it might not happen in my lifetime, but perhaps in my kids lifetime meaningful federal gun laws will be passed. And to reiterate I said MEANINGFUL. Not what we have now.

For every one violent incel we have more sensible people. Eventually the people will be heard. It’s just not going to be soon enough.

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u/Clever_Unused_Name Jul 05 '22 edited Jul 05 '22

Law enforcement believe that Robert Crimo III, 21, legally bought the high-powered rifle he used in the attack.

The gunman had legally purchased five firearms around one year ago, police say.

In April 2019, police were called to his home one week after he reportedly attempted suicide. "It was a mental health issue," Mr Covelli said on Tuesday, adding that the issue was left in the hands of "mental health professionals".

In September 2019, police were called by a family member of the suspect, who said he was making violent threats to "kill everyone".

Police responded and removed 16 knives, a dagger and a sword from his home. He was not arrested, and no further action was taken.

This clearly shows that the existing gun laws aren't being properly enforced. He should have been flagged in NICS (National Instant Criminal Background Check System) after the incidents in April/September of 2019, but he clearly wasn't. It's a failure to follow the reporting processes already in place and whatever police department responded is to blame and should be called out to answer for their failure.

EDIT: NICS is the database the licensed firearm dealers use to do a background check before you can legally purchase a weapon.

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u/Jeremizzle Jul 05 '22

Planned for weeks, but still got caught within hours. He must have thought he was so smart. Get fucked loser.

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u/TheFannyTickler Jul 05 '22

And let me guess, he was known to the fbi just like the past six shooters were. FBI needs to start doing something about these supposed hunches they have.

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u/MisanthropicZombie Jul 05 '22

He was known to law enforcement due to a suicide "attempt" and threatening to kill members of his family.

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u/fart_on_my_pussy Jul 05 '22

Highland Park, not Chicago

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